I only quoted what the article I read said. Plus I feel like that's the proper phrase to use because even beyond rape, do you really want to tell a person about your sexual fantasies? No!
I put that article phrase there, because now I know it's normal for some people. As a demiromantic asexual it isn't true for me, but I'm sure it's normal for women and men who do have sexual fantasies. And it's bound to happen since it's talked about so often on the news. I didn't know that, and I am learning as well. I'm sure that the article did not mean it in the way you are describing.
Hurting me or anyone else is not necessary. Even if you are standing up for what you believe in, you don't need to do that, it doesn't really help your case if you are trying to convince people to be on your or the author's side. I have not insulted you and I am trying to understand where you're coming from, but you're not really helping me out. :/
Also you're welcome (⌒▽⌒)
You like to fight with people online. So I hope this is very relaxing for you. I fill up water balloons and freeze them. Then take them outside and crush them with a hammer to get out some pent-up aggression. Or I scream into a pillow and just get everything out.
yeah, and they'll also lead you to believe that this sexy consent shit will protect you against rape like a big warm blanket. more horseshit. There's always some hate your friends can throw around in the rudest, most abusive way, and all of your friends are hard at it. Everyone's a writer when you press them a little. I didn't say you couldn't show consent. don't be dumb. Tell me why consent is useless in fiction and I might believe you know something about writing, and don't turn everything I say into rape. I'm sick of that. Wholesome is a food word. Wonder bread, vegetables, and mom's apple pie down at the family picnic. It doesn't belong in yaoi.
Look, if you keep saying inane, obvious shit like "Romance doesn't have to start off with rape" making me disclaim and endlessly disclaim, it's going to do nothing but make me think less of you. That stuff is ridiculous and unfair.
You're saying "rape doesn't match" about THIS story. come ON.
"Romance doesn't have to start off with rape. It can be wholesome, it can be fluffy, it can be funny, it can be intense, there are so many other ways. There doesn't always have to be that big of a problem for them to work out."
When you can make that story work and show it to me, I'll believe you know what your talking about. till then this is all just a load of talk.
LOL funny how you stand on your own saying the same stuff the rest of them do, and how no one ever had this big hysterical problems with artists and writers till you guys came along. nope you're part of it, and you're a problem. There are going to be consequences. I see it already. The rest of you are blind to it in all your self-righteous glory
You can think about things, you know. You don't need a totally closed mind before you even start out in life.
Those warnings you refer to have always been there. always. Now we seem to need them crammed up our noses everywhere.
A little spoiler. no. and the rest of the human race has rights. The rest of the human race can be hurt just as badly, if not worse, but in other ways than rape victims. You don't know that. Lucky you. There's worse things that can happen to a person than rape. Maybe you should think about those things for a change instead of keeping your nose dipped into this rape stuff.
LOL on this mental stuff. You make the rest of us want to send you into outer space with all this crap about rape victims. I'm starting to hate the fvckers. Maybe you should look out for your own self instead of always closing ranks behind rape victims. Tons of people have panic attacks. In any audience in life you're going to be surrounded by people who have gone through hell worse than you can imagine, and they can be triggered by a dozen things in any media just as badly and worse than this army of rape victims who you care so much about to the exclusion of the rest of the human race. People put up with it, why, because no one's human rights come above anyone else's
s. You can't justify encroaching on everyone else's rights by putting all your fight behind these rape victims of yours.
LOL put your money where your mouth is, storyteller and all the rest. Show me.
No, I'm a member of the human race. You're the one in a cult. You don't know it,but you are. it's religion, and it's as obnoxious as any other religion.
Nope. it's young people who are the problem.
You guys don't have any valid emotions. Now you're really gone off the edge. No way are younger people more right ever. That's your entire problem: pride.
I don't hate on ppl in my age range. We weren't raised the way you were. zombified
"The whole rape thing was just terrible, and then the seme gets to apologize at the end and it's ok...? That's not how that works."
You were calling that criticism. You should never start a critique by condemning the entire work as a whole.
Okay, this is my assessment. You're WAY nicer and a better person than your contemporaries. You do actually think deeply about things, and I do believe you do some writing. I do think you'll be okay in the coming time, but I don't think it's going to go easy on any of us, and I think your age group is destroying something precious, this genre
oh and also, I really put you through the ringer. please forgive me for that.
I wish that pillow thing could work for me. lol
OH. I almost forgot. I got some "stats" but too tired to post them. nothing bad
honestly, I don't enjoy it lately.
It doesn't have to be rape. I've never said it did, but the problem has to be every bit as serious as rape. It has to be immediate, active, as in, you have to have action that can be played out as if on a stage. It can't be internal. You have to be able to show it in a very few panels, and it has to involve both main characters. That's the challenge. If you can come up with all of that, and it is entirely possible, then you'll have something. You can't just say, "it can be fluffy, or romantic, etc." It can, but the above requirements still have to be fulfilled. Can you do that? I can think of several of those kind of problems that fit the required structure.
Well I can't do that, because I can't show art on here lol. Also I'd prefer not to give my identity away by trying to prove myself to you.
Why are young people's emotions any less valid than a fully grown adult? Why does our age have to go into our credibility? Why should we have to wait until we're past 30 to finally be heard and respected? That's just ageism.
And I will admit, yes. I was 'zombified' as you call it. I grew up in a nice Christian household, with every thing going for me. I was a goody-two shoes so to speak. And then fanfiction came along so I decided to go down that path, and didn't look back. Eventually ended up here and had my eyes opened, and saw the person my parents wanted me to be. A good and successful person, but homophobic. And I realized that when I saw my dad turn off a movie because a gay couple was in it, and they were only neighbors to the main character. And I decided that's not the person I want to be. I don't want to hate people because they love who they love. And I don't want to be forced to have a life I don't to live. And thank goodness we live in a time, where LGBTQ is more accepted and I was able to have people teach me and learned how to put my implicit bias behind me. I still feel guilt for going behind my parents back, but I'm learning how to deal with it. And I just think about the people I met because of it, how I could be there for my old friends, and the community that I've been welcomed into.
So yes, there are some young people who do end up 'zombified', but most times they aren't given a chance to change. And even if they want to change, they can't, because of they live a life similar to mine. So it's not like most of them have choice in the matter.
Those young people you hate so much, helped me be a better person. So don't just only look at the bad people, or the whiny trolls online.
Because people do need consent. You don't want someone randomly kissing you out of nowhere and you didn't want it. Sometimes you have to ask because, 'signals' are unreliable. Someone could be telling you to go away and you mistake that 'ooh Lets kiss' and you end up forcing yourself on that other person, and they didn't enjoy it. Also consent is a kink for some people, there are even people who love having the seme ask for everything. So if you don't like people shaming your favorite genre, then don't shame theirs.
Wholesomeness can be in yaoi. People look for it more because the rape trope has been used so much. People just enjoy a little sweet romance sometimes. Sometimes people just need a mental break life and just don't need any angst or problematic stories. Is that so wrong?
I said rape doesn't match the subplot the author was going for, because in the background there was the mystery of his mother and father being killed, his friend got kidnapped, they had to save him, turns out the person who raised him was the guy who killed his parents. Where does the rape fit into that? The only thing it did was somehow build a connection with the uke and he comes and helps the seme. And the subplot came in so late, so when everything happened it was like, oh where did this come from. That's only what I meant.
It's ok i guess.
I am not trying to be self-righteous, but I am sorry if I am being a problem to you and your cause. We can end this here if you'd like. You like the story. I don't and I just like the art. So we just agree to disagree.
PIZZA NIGHT! (๑•ㅂ•)و✧
LOL!!! I found it. this is 7-3-2021. I made a huge mistake here and I want to point it out and correct myself. my god. lol
paraphrasing I mistakenly said - Real life rape and rape in fiction . . . fill different needs of human beings, both are valid and needed." that's where typing things out too fast is a detriment to writing and expressing oneself.
lmao. no one called me on this. I did not mean to say that real life rape is valid and needed. I meant to say only that it existed, and that authors understand the separate roles of fiction and the real life tragedy of rape in the real world. I apologize for the mistake.
and also, everything you said in this reply of yours is so fucked up I don't even know where to begin.
It's ok, but come on man. I was finally free ╥﹏╥
Then don't, please. Its 4th of July. Ain't nobody got time for this.
your final word is that you don't like the story and I do. it's annoying that you'd try to pin it all back on this story. I don't care in the least about this story. that's not what I've been talking about at all. The other thing I'm wondering is how old you are. I'm saying this to you because you seem to be a reasonable person. You say we need consent in these stories. If you're very young, and you must be to still be living with your parents, maybe you don't know that sex is not the language of the spoken word. It's the language of the body. so we have a lot of people here who don't have any or not much experience with sex, trying to shove their values, which aren't sophisticated enough, down our throats, and also trying to shove them onto a genre that doesn't belong to you, that you have no right to read or comment on, and you certainly don't have a right to say what you think the genre should and should not contain That's like saying all clothing for adults should only come in children's sizes.
Your comment about some ukes liking it when the seme has to ask for everything. Do you know how stupid and infuriating that is? The uke is not the uke in that situation. He's the seme, and an extremely domineering one. It's called ruling from the bottom. Tops hate it, obviously. I mean duh.
Common knowledge: there aren't any young writers. That's just a general thing with writers and always has been. Young people don't have any experience. You need a lot of experience in life to be able to write.
The whole rape thing was just terrible, and then the seme gets to apologize at the end and it's ok...? That's not how that works. Even if he did have a terrible childhood, it does not excuse what he did. Raping the uke was his choice and his alone, no one made him do it. And that can't be forgiven so easily with an 'I'm sorry'. That's not even an apology, a real apology is admitting you're wrong, and letting the other person take time to forgive you, and they don't have to forgive you. And the uke should've had more respect for himself, and not forgiven him so easily.