yeah, but that would take up a lot more story space. lol
I mean they could've just added more chapters right or taken out one of the rape chapters and replace it. ╮(￣▽￣)╭
the author wanted to wrap it up and get out of it. they're getting pressure to the point where they can't work out their stories under all the hatred being thrown at them. Fans used to be respectful and polite. No one ever had the gaul to tell these authors how to draw and write their own art. They wanted to write a story about rape and some other things. I don't see why that's life and death to fans, know?
It's not how it works in RL. It's the author's AU, though, and every bit of it is by their design.
sorry, it just has gotten really old people complaining about rape instead of accepting and appreciating whatever the artist wants to express. that's my take anway
They probably should've thought about writing a rape story before releasing it, because the complaints are bound to happen. Plus it's such a common trope and people are getting tired of it, especially people part of the LGBTQ spectrum. I'm glad they were able to get out of that situation tho. They are a wonderful artist, and I really just stayed because the art is SUPERB. I look forward to their next work to see how they improve and learn from this situation.
And the artist can write about rape, yes. That is their choice to do so. But rape is wrong, there is no ifs ands or buts. Rape is wrong whether in fiction or irl, and it can affect people in a negative way. And it shouldn't just be brushed off as a romantic gesture. I'm sure that's what people were trying to get at, but was doing so in a hurtful way and I feel bad that the author had to go through that.
No. real life and fiction are worlds apart. Real life rape and rape in fiction exist in two separate worlds that never come into contact with each other. Each fill different needs of human beings, both are valid and needed. Understanding those two separate worlds is the sole province of sexually active adults. People without experience can't form the concept. A lot of the fictional rape used to be known as "marital aids." funny. Authors understand the separate roles of fiction and the real life tragedy of rape in the real world. They know how to use a soft rape element in romance fiction. People without any training as professional writers are blind to writer's techniques, merely interpreting them in black and white.
I looked it up and I guess we're both in line of a gray area of being correct. So rape fiction is technically directed towards women, because I guess a study showed that 62 percent of women had admitted to have a rape fantasy, both erotic and aversive. 45% were erotic 9% were aversive and 46% mixed. So I guess rape fiction is just to fit the needs of that 45%
But this article stated everything better that I was trying to get across.
https://www.swantower.com
I guess rape hentai, porn, and stuff is just for people who are into that. So that makes sense, the probably should put a warning for people who don't enjoy that tho so they know they're not walking into a sweet fluffy smut situation. (I actually looked back and checked and neither the translator, the author or the editor put a rape warning which is inconsiderate to people who can be triggered by that stuff but moving on.) But if you're writing a normal story you might want to question why you are writing that and why it is necessary for the plot. Imo this story didn't need any rape, because it didn't have that much to do with the subplot. So they could've just had a rival x rival tsundere thing and then slowly fall for each other but not realize it and hate it. And then have the subplot. But again this story could've just porn or hentai for people who enjoy it and the subplot just made that confusing.
So I guess the answer is rape warnings? So the author can continue to write about whatever the hell they want and not offend people at the same time.
This is so confusing. ╥﹏╥
I'm tired and hungry cuz it's 6 am and I just woke up , so I'm sorry if nothing I'm saying is making sense (￣∇￣")
what percent of couples? 62% sounds low to me. Aversive whatever that means is irrelevant. strange stuff. This is bullshit. 45% is bs. No way is it meant to fit the needs of only 45% of women. god. These various forms are for adults who are sexually active, not for children who have been stigmatized the way that one age group of heavily indoctrinated. You can hardly count them. Men also have this fantasy. These scenarios are acted out between couples. I don't know why or where you got these numbers but they're skewed to show the strange new puritanical group.
Don't tell me "we're in a gray area of being right" You WANT to find out that I'm wrong or only half right. You're too biased.
right. I'm going to go by a "swantower" statistic
No one needed all these bullshit warnings before a year or so ago, and people didn't suddenly morph into paranoid babies all of a sudden. If it says for adults, it's not for kids. ALL or almost sexually active adults are going to try, experiment with various materials, act out fantasy, look at porn, try out b and d. What you're saying is not true. "It's made only for so and so." Let me tell you something. Those "this chapter has rape" warnings trigger the hell out of me and I'm far from alone. It's infuriating to put a spoiler at the very beginning of a chapter. I don't want to know what's going to happen next. The whole point is for the story to unfold. The reader is on a journey WITH the author! not some uploader or reading site. The whole damned idea is to feel what the writer evokes, not what some stupid childish "trigger warning" stamps on as if these stories are theirs to screw around with. They're there by insensitive idiots who don't even know what it is to a story is. god!
A LOT of people feel as I do, and it affects OUR reading experience. People who hate spoilers - once your eyes take it in, cuz it's impossible to ignore, then you're really mad, and you've been jarred out of the spell the author is casting. it's selfish to think that just because you have an SJW complex for people who might or might not be "triggered" that you have a right to slaughter the rights of others.
omg. look, writers think their asses off when writing a story. They're not like, "hmm, I need something here... rape would be nice." that's bull! If you write BL you're writing about MEN. There has to be a big reason for emotional turmoil in a story about MEN. Men in a story can't react the way women do or they wouldn't ring true. Authors need a BIG reason, a big problem for the lovers to work out. They can't just, "can I kiss you." "yes, you can." that's not something you can show as ACTION as in a play or theatre.
You don't know how writing works. That's not your fault, but at the same time, you don't consider that writing is an art form. The writer has to develop just as many skills as the musician or artist. No one just sits down and writes because they learned their abc's in school. that's crap. At the same time it's like, how dare you and your group presume to tell writers what's necessary and unnecessary within a plot structure?
You don't even know what a plot is. You could not pass a writing test on even the fundamentals
Look, man, I'm sorry, too. talk about triggering. everything you said "triggered" me. some people feel passionately about this, and we're getting our talents, life meaning, and sense of self trampled on and torn to shreds by words you're saying. Artists are human, and we're also sensitive. This stuff is like a stampede of hatred by a crowd of people who don't value our skills and don't trust or respect us. That it only started about 2 1/2 years ago means it's people who are too young and can't possibly know what right and wrong in our industry is or how to fix it trying to tell us what's what. There's nothing wrong with us. We don't need fixing. We don't need an unwanted, naive morality inflicted on us
and you made someone fantasizing into "they admitted to" it. like it's a mortal sin. It's normal. There's studies on this back to Masters and Johnson. Normal
Sir, first of all I am a writer. That's why I know how a plot structure should work. And it is ignorant to think that there is nothing ever wrong with a story. There is always something to be fixed.I just think that the rape didn't match the subplot, and it should''ve been either-or and not both.
Second of all, you can show consent in fiction. "Consent is sexy". Just like people have their own tastes for rape or dubious consent, there are people who prefer clear consent. Romance doesn't have to start off with rape. It can be wholesome, it can be fluffy, it can be funny, it can be intense, there are so many other ways. There doesn't always have to be that big of a problem for them to work out.
Third, I'm not part of a group, i just stand by my own personal morals and opinion. I think rape is wrong because it can hurt people and it is wrong to normalize it. If people like it, then it is their choice to do so, and I have no right to judge. I thought that the seme was wrong. That's where I stand.
I don't want to argue, really. That's for another person in the comments who can take that, but I can't. I just wanted to give my opinion on the story. And if you don't agree with that then I'm sorry.
Slaughtering the rights of others sounds very extreme, i'm sorry if you got a little spoiler but that has nothing to do with rights. And that is not what rape warnings are for. It's not like I meant to put it above each chapter, I meant just in the summary or before the story starts
Also why can't you be considerate to people who've gone through that situation?A person can get flashback from that kind of traumatic experience and it can result things like a panic attack. They're not childish, they are necessary.
I didn't even say anything about fixing. i didn't shred anyone's talents, meaning of life, or self. I only gave my honest criticism as an artist, writer and story teller. I can't 'fix' anyone. No one can 'fix' anyone. And I know that. But you make it sound like you're in a cult. "Unwanted, naive morality"? Seriously?
Also why do you assume that it's only young people trying to hate on you, it could be adults, middle aged people, elderly on here, you don't know. And invalidating the emotions and things young people say is rude and hurtful. Everyone should have a voice no matter who they are, and sometimes younger people are more right. And aren't you young? I assume 29 still means you are a young adult. So why are you hating on people of your own age range?
The whole rape thing was just terrible, and then the seme gets to apologize at the end and it's ok...? That's not how that works. Even if he did have a terrible childhood, it does not excuse what he did. Raping the uke was his choice and his alone, no one made him do it. And that can't be forgiven so easily with an 'I'm sorry'. That's not even an apology, a real apology is admitting you're wrong, and letting the other person take time to forgive you, and they don't have to forgive you. And the uke should've had more respect for himself, and not forgiven him so easily.