Don't you have anything else to say other than rape?

Ain't no one reading all that. Its being mention because those on Twitter (alot) & some on here are literally using that to justify him. Also he might not have it ill intentions plan but he did do something bad.

Lmfaoo of course it’s the love is an illusion fan talking, he still raped him, consent was not given because he was intoxicated. No matter what people say to justify it, it will always be rape, plain and simple you saw it with your own eyes. There was no reason to even believe consent was given. “Toxic cain stans” as if yawhi fans don’t excuse rape, don’t make me laugh. He still raped him, the lengths people will go to type out a whole essay on why yahwi didnt rape him is so funny to me. “He didn’t have ill intentions” Yahwi still raped Jooin while he was intoxicated. Also who gives a shit if it was in chapter two and now it’s chapter fifty two, it still happened. Rape doesn’t disappear because it’s been a few chapters. You’re a fucking smooth-brain who will do anything to exuse rape.

How funny. You really wrote an essay just to defend Yahwi. It's obvious that what he did was RAPE and you can't change that. It's obvious that a drunk person wouldn't be in his right state of mind and will know what's happening. Lol Jooin even thought at a time that it was just a dream etc. At some part , when they were having sex Jooin pleaded Cain to stop but he didn't. What the heck did he say to defend himself "you say stop but your body says otherwise". Firstly if someone tells you to stop because they can't, then you stop. How can you still defend Yahwi. Also why did Yahwi act like he didn't know Jooin when he was being criticized for being gay huh. Lol yeah sure, be blinded by all your theories.

I completely agree with you. Don't listen to those negative comments, they just hating since they have nothing better to do.

What this user said.

Lmao

I'm not excusing rape. Before chapter 52, I regard it as rape because I still didn't know Yahwi's perspectives. But after seeing his side, who are we to have an opinion to his real intentions? It was clearly shown that he really didn't have any bad intentions. Yes, he was wrong for misunderstanding Jooin and not knowing better. But to judge him as guilty of rape, there must be no other reasonable explanation that can come from the evidence at trial. In Yahwi's case, there is a reasonable doubt.

I also want to make it clear that I'm not calling all cain stans toxic. I said "toxic cain stans" because I'm simply addressing it to cain stans who are toxic. I don't attack people just because they're cain stans.

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I just wanna remind you that it was Jooin who invited Cain to his place after seeing that Cain got scammed. Cain even thought about finding a new home but he doesn't have any money so Jooin initiated his stay at his home. He's not a parasite at all because first and foremost, he's been looking after Jooin– cooking meals for him. Jooin didn't even feel worried for having Cain there because he knows that Cain is good. About the rape thing, what Yahwi did will still be considered as rape no matter what his intentions were. They don't have any established relationship and he didn't get a proper consent. If we will put this in trial, it's still considered as rape because the act itself is the wrong thing. They won't give much significance to the reasons or intentions because even if the rapist doesn't have any ill intention, the act itself is already ill because it's forced. It's unwanted. If we will find this justifiable because of his "intentions" or "reasons" then if the reason is "love," will the case be dismissed? Because technically, love is not "wrong." Any sexual interaction without consent is pretty much considered as a sexual harassment no matter what the intention or reason is.

Cain wasn't scammed. He manipulated the situation and tricked Jooin just so he can stay at his place. He said it himself while Jooin was sleeping. And even if Cain cooks Jooin food, cleans his place, and do all the good things in the world, it still doesn't change the fact that Jooin still doesn't owe him anything. It is still Cain who forced himself into Jooin's life.

You're right that reasons are not considered in trial because there is no valid reason for rape. But in Yahwi's case, there is a reasonable doubt. Let's say A and B went out to drink. A got drunk and seduced B and they ended up having sex but B doesn't know that A was not completely aware. Did B commit rape? It's dubious. There is a reasonable doubt. Yahwi, even though not as drunk as Jooin, was still under the influence of alcohol and his judgements were also altered to some extent. He mistook it as consent. He was wrong for being dumb. But it was shown that he has a clear conscience. Every person accused of any crime is considered innocent until proven guilty. Jooin, the supposed victim, doesn't even use it against him. He's mad right now for a completely different reason. So who are we to judge?

Jooin doesn't owe anything to any of them. And yes, let's say Cain forced himself into Jooin's life but it's pretty understandable considering their past life. He's been waiting for him for 2 turns of his life already. I ain't saying that it's alright but it's still better than the situation between Yahwi and Jooin. And to answer your question, yes it will be still considered as rape. I'm not saying this because I'm a Cain stan but as a person who studies law. If we will base this on the law, it'll be still considered as rape because Yahwi is still sober. He's still conscious unlike Jooin. He was able to wash him up, completely naked. What Jooin did wasn't "seduction" not "initiative" as he was not in his right mind. He was intoxicated. I'm not disregarding the fact that Yahwi drank too but he's more sober than Jooin. Like what I said, he was able to wash Jooin, completely naked so why didn't he just leave Jooin when Jooin started "seducing" him? He's not wasted unlike the other one. He can still think clearly. It will still be considered as takjng advantage of someone who can't give a proper consent. He left him after the act of rape itself so why didn't he do it before actually doing it? And I don't really think we can say that Yahwi has a clear conscience when it was implied that he partly blamed Jooin for not remembering that night when Jooin was actually really drunk and the assault didn't happen just once. The others are worse because they're both sober and Jooin is resisting but was still forced to go with the whole thing. I don't think someone will also do the things that he did if they like someone. There are boundaries specially because they're not lovers and he chose to cross them for a lot of times. Not one apology for doing so that makes the whole thing worse

I also don't think that Yahwi doesn't know that Jooin was drunk to that extent because the man already vomited. He's clearly aware that Jooin is intoxicated

You cannot brand Yahwi as rapist because he is still not guilty and he has rights to due process. Justice is the quality of being reasonable and fair. And you condemning Yahwi without a final verdict is injustice itself.

I don't think that process will be applicable to this one. If I will agree with you, does that mean when someone used drugs in front of you, you can't call that person a drug user because he's not considered "guilty"? We're basically basing the term on the act itself that we saw. No processes will be done here because it's obvious that no such scene will occur. The process that you're talking about will never be done here as we are labeling them because we're readers and we clearly see every point of view. If you will still insist and we were to talk about "evidences" we can site the chapters where the assault was clearly seen on the story. Keep in mind that we're seeing this as readers so what you're saying is not necessary. I just brought up the trial because you said it yourself first. We're basing the terms that we use in the things that we basically have irl but the due process is not applicable here. I don't think I can still explain further if you won't listen. I just want to say that whatever his reason, conscience or intention is, rape is not justifiable as well as his assault so please stop saying that it's not when we can clearly see that it is. Have a nice day.

You said it yourself that we are readers and we are seeing their point of views and the whole truth. That being said, chapter 52 has proven that Yahwi is not guilty. Thanks.

Wtf rape justifier•–• get TF out of here you weirdo if you think y*whi's doing is okay then get some help

With that being said, how can you not see that Yahwi is guilty? The assault didn't happen once. He forced Jooin for a lot of times and he never apologized for what he did. If you will justify his acts because of his reasons, then does that mean that rape is excusable as long as your intention/reason is "good" ? Like what I said, stop justifying his acts. He's not a kid anymore. He knows his boundaries but chose to cross it. There's no further explanations about that.

As I've told you before, there is no valid reason for rape. But Yahwi's case is beyond reason. You have to look at the situation. They both drunk. Jooin already vomitted before he initiated it. He told Yahwi to do something about it. Jooin was able to hold a proper conversation. It is prone to misunderstanding. It's not Yahwi's fault that he misunderstood it. It's not Yahwi's fault the he mistaken it as consent.

If Sakura asked Sasuke to have sex with her and Sasuke didn't know that she's not fully aware, are you saying that it is Sasuke's fault for agreeing? Did Sasuke commit rape?

Saying stop, yamete, it hurts, etc are very common. It's not like he pushed and kicked Yahwi to save himself. It's not like Yahwi fucked a passed out person. In medical jurisprudence, they look for physical signs, which Jooin has none. But of course, it's not the only basis. There is also psychological aspect that is also isn't present in Jooin.

Y'all mad because rape is traumatizing and is a heinous crime, right? It's that serious that y'all can't move on even if it's just a story. So how much more is its effect to the victim. Jooin is the victim here, and he has no single sign of post-traumatic stress. If Jooin himself will condemn Yahwi, then I am by all means will side with Jooin. So why do you know better than the victim?

Did you really study law? Because it seems to me that you are so biased and it's very easy for you to convict someone as if it's nothing.

Just say that you hate Yahwi and go.

Can't you see that Jooin started feeinb insecure and he always feel on edge with Yahwi? And that's not a "proper" conversation nor a "proper consent" he's aware that Jooin is intoxicated. He already vomited. Will you think that someone can still think straight and talk properly when they already vomited? And if you're pushing about chapter 52 to say that Yahwi is not guilty, do you really have a proper grasp on what you're talking about? In chapter 52, yes, Yahwi thought about the past things between him and Jooin but how can you not see that he's still not owning up his mistake? He's still partly blaming Jooin for the way that their relationship is going. Is that right? He's the one who didn't stood up for Jooin when there were rumors about him in their school. Apologizing didn't even came across his mind. You find that pitiable and enough to justify or excuse his acts? Seems like you didn't know that after that he assaulted Jooin again. And how am I being biased? I clearly admitted that my favorite did something wrong. I'm not justifying his acts. Him deceiving Jooin is not okay as well as him being carried away with the kiss. Those things are not okay but what makes it "alright" for me is that he's owning up his mistakes and says sorry to Jooin. Did Yahwi do that after everything that he did? No. Not even one "sorry." It's easy for me to "convict" Yahwi because I clearly saw the things that he did. A pitiable excuse or reason won't do for it. There are no excuses for his actions because he's an adult who can grasp right or wrong. Let's say that he misunderstood Jooin indeed but then again, he should atleast know that he's wrong and apologize. What's so hard about that? You're the one who seem biased to me as you can't accept the fact that Yahwi did something that caused him to be called "aggressor" and "rapist" in the fandom yet you're openly calling Cain in names which is not really a big deal to me except for the parasite because again, Jooin doesn't feel an ounce of worry about Cain being with him. I'll say this once again but stop justifying Yahwi's act just because he has a "valid excuse"

I admit that Yahwi has an unpleasant personality and I ain't gonna defend him for that and it's also a different story. Do your research and read the DSM-5 criteria for post-traumatic stress disorder. I'm the one who's being objective here.

Throwing up lessens the effects of alcohol. Jooin was able to hold a conversation = he responds and talks in full sentences. You think Yahwi is a mind reader? Yes, he needs to apologize for being shitty sometimes, but that's a separate story. How can he apologize for your accusation of rape if he thought it was a consensual sex? As compared to Cain's which is an outright assault regardless if it was lesser evil. You saw his pov that he really thought it was mutual. It was Jooin who confessed. It was Jooin who touched him first. It was Jooin who showed motive. The line is blurry. I'm not saying that it's right but you cannot crucify Yahwi for rape either. The symbol for justice is a blindfolded woman because it represents impartiality and fairly takes into account both sides of the story. She judges with reason and rationality and not merely on senses. The only parties involved here are Jooin and Yahwi. If Jooin can get mad at Yahwi for the reasons he has now, then he definitely can get mad for rape, too. Unfortunately, it's already irrelevant to him now.