It's sort of weird to hear somebody say their "path of glory" was accomplished all on thei...

Juno May 28, 2021 4:15 pm

It's sort of weird to hear somebody say their "path of glory" was accomplished all on their own when the path is marriage ... to somebody else. I mean, yes, it was a big risk to approach that prince and make the offer. It took courage to move forward, intelligence to think the problem through and, then, willpower to act on it, but there is more than one person in a marriage.

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    youraedthiswrogn May 28, 2021 5:27 pm

    I thought what she said was that she was the only one to escape high society's bullshit. She talks about how she was basically bullied for her name and then says she was the only one to get away on her own.

    Juno May 28, 2021 7:34 pm
    I thought what she said was that she was the only one to escape high society's bullshit. She talks about how she was basically bullied for her name and then says she was the only one to get away on her own. youraedthiswrogn

    But she didn't "get away on her own", that's the point. Putting in your best effort and doing it all by yourself are two different things. If there hadn't been a prince for her to marry, some wonderful person who was essentially ready to step up and help her, the story would've been different. Then it might have truly been a story about how she did it all by herself, although I would even be skeptical about that as somebody likely would've provided some sort of support in any bootstrapping effort, whether to provide employment, shelter, useful advice, comfort, or whatever. Otherwise, the story would be about how she was abandoned and either succumbed, alone, to the elements, or lived like a hermit all by her lonesome in some sort of survival set up. Anyway, this story is about how she is saved by a proposing marriage to a prince who provides her with an escape. Yes, she made the proposal, but he accepted it. Two and, in fact, several more people were involved, just not the ones who originally made her life miserable (but I will concede that if she hadn't taken any initiative or risk to act at all, nothing whatsoever would've improved.)

    youraedthiswrogn May 28, 2021 8:44 pm
    But she didn't "get away on her own", that's the point. Putting in your best effort and doing it all by yourself are two different things. If there hadn't been a prince for her to marry, some wonderful person w... Juno

    Juno, i don't think you understood what i meant. She didn't say "on my own", she said "only me". She just said that only she has managed to escape high society, no one else has.

    youraedthiswrogn May 28, 2021 8:47 pm
    Juno, i don't think you understood what i meant. She didn't say "on my own", she said "only me". She just said that only she has managed to escape high society, no one else has. youraedthiswrogn

    Like she doesn't talk about whether or not she got help there at all, she says she's the only one who gas escaped high society's ridicule.

    Juno May 29, 2021 12:23 am

    Okay, I have a better grasp of what you mean now ... or, perhaps, what the translation means. She seems to need to give herself a reassurance of personal strength since she's bothered by helpless feelings when other people touch her, even if they mean it kindly. It's still a very awkward thing to say since it goes against the very point of the alliances she has built.