No. No Bueno.

When you put it like that (the part about yaoi having so much rape turning to love) I completely agree with you. I apologize if I annoyed you with my earlier comments~

Oh and also, idk if you were supporting me or not but thanks anyways lol

Hoo boy… So, for starters, even without looking at every detail, I love your "rape synopsis" Critic! I am also getting tired of the whole rape trope deal… It's not like it's that hard to create a story with mutual love without forcing yourself on someone. The first chapter was so close to having that potential too, even with the bondage! For example, Saiki could've embraced Kayama for a while (non-sexually!) without going into full-on rape mode to give Kayama a chance to come to terms with his feelings (he obviously did like him!). So sad…

Raphael and Taphel have the best responses to your post! ヾ(❀╹◡╹)ﾉ~

Everything through July 13 was pretty respectful too (up until gay_penguins stuck his nose in…). I think Junki was being sarcastic when saying "Of course everyone who read yaoi are 18+ 'supposedly' so nothing to worry at all. Everyone can distinguish what's rape is what is morally appropriate for people to do to one another;" but just in case (and because some people really don't know), it is not true that everyone knows what rape is. For example, even though I gave the "if he embraced him" scenario earlier, bondage without PREVIOUS consent is never okay; embarrassed uke or not (but, since this is fiction, that's why it would at least be a little bit reasonable).
Rape is also: having sex with someone who is either drugged or drunk; not stopping when they tell you to (whether you are "inside" or before that point); making ridiculous statements like "but it looks like you're enjoying it" or "it's your fault for being so cute;" any form of blackmail or threats; any kind of psychological manipulation (including, but not limited to: bullying, hypnosis, survivor's guilt, Stockholm Syndrome, commander/subordinate relationships, etc.) – just to name a few. Consensual sex is literally only when both parties openly consent to whatever they're doing beforehand - whether the "traditional" type or involving any form of BDSM. Neither party has to actually say "no" outright in order for it to be rape (oh, and it is also possible for the male or seme to be the rape or sexual assault victim as well!).

I didn't even bother to read the posts from "Mr.Angry Penguins" (love the nickname Junki!) when I saw how much cussing there was… Someone like that obviously has no respect for other people, and yet they're raging on that you "litterally degraded my opinion …" (that much I can see without expanding). For heaven's sake, everyone is entitled to their opinions and comments regardless of the fact that fiction is fictional; you don't have to be such a jerk about it.

Just so you know, Critic, Chapter 3 actually showed a healthy side to the relationship of the first couple; chapters 4 and 5 were a pretty sweet story (new couple; completely unrelated to the first one); and chapter 6 is a hardcore rape (mainly non-consensual BDSM) / and-yet-mutual-love story (with a third new couple).

WOW you went in depth! I read the whole thing but if I tried to respond even semi-normally I'd go off on about eight tangents. So, to be concise, thanks so much for this reply, it was fun to read. I probably won't read the other chapters but thank you for the heads up. If you weren't anon I would instantly follow you; this is the best comment ever! >_>

I agree. It's 2020 now, post Me too mouvment. About what is fiction world?... Well the artist his not without values, interests, etc. He his from a story period, a society, and it's tainted what he do.

We have pass laws to protects children from pedophilia material even if it's only fiction. We can't promoted nazism or Ku Klux Klan, even if it's only fiction. Because it's violece againts minorities populations.

And, in publicity, one best way to make your product or service know from someone his... be expose a lot of time. The memory works that way. To encode a new information, you must have been expose several times. It's scientifictfly proove. It's the same patern you use to promoted ideology and stereotypes.

Disney, for exemple... it's a very powerful industry (a lot of money and see everywhere in the world). But all they created (animes, movies, parks) his very conservative. They promoted the family with one daddy, one mummy with children. Whites peoples most of the time when the caracters are humans. And before Mulan... The girl was the pretty thing in dress who wait to be save by the boy. So went you grow up, you think the prince will comes for you. Because you also read it in fictions. You have encode the idea. In reality there are so many ways to live life, love and desire.

And for information, this is a exhaustive list of Yaoi who don't have rape or malipulation between the members of principal couple:

Kuroneko wa Shippo de Amaeru
Sorenari ni Shinken nandesu
Harapeko Usagi To Koisuru Ookami
Tsuki to Yabanjin
Merry Checker
Jouzetsuna Yubi
Stranger
Shinshi to Norainu
Rakuda Tsukai To Ouji No Yoru
Laundry
Kono Ore Ga Omae Nanka Suki Na Wakenai
Doushiyoumo Nai Keredo
Joou to Shitateya
Okusan no Mousouteki Nichijou
Chidori-san Ke Ni Kagitte
Tsumasaki ni Kiss
Brother Auto Spot
Saa Koi Ni Ochitamae
Pretty Scoop!
Yume wo Miru Hima mo Nai
Hachimitsu Darling
Tatsu No Otoshigo
Turning Point
Shizuku Hanabira Ringo no Kaor
Cafe Latte Rhapsody
Cut
Hana wa Saku ka
Wild Rock
After Morning Love
Ouchou Haru no Yoi no Romance
Wild Wind
Antique Bakery
Yume Musubi, Koi Musubi
Himegoto Asobi
Koicha No Osahou (tea For Two)
Koukyuu No Arika
Kouun No Rihatsushi
Love Stage!!
Hanakoi Tsurane
10 Dance
Renai No Kamisama Ni Ie
Corsair - Eigetsu
Surf Junkie
ROUGE
Aka To Kuro
XXX Allergy
Akai Ito No Shikkou Yuuyo
Pendulum: Kemonobito Omegaverse
My Little Vampire
Gods X Myself X Brides
Hoshi Dake Ga Shitteru
Yoidore Koi o Sezu
Koishite Daddy
Michiru Heya
Thrill or Sweet
Seven Days
Nekoka Kareshi No Ayashikata
Kurui Naku No Wa Boku No Ban
Elektel Delusion
Attack on Titan dj - Butadomos Collection
Hinadori wa Shiokaze ni Madoromu
Doushitemo Furetakunai
Saezuru Tori wa Habatakanai
Ayashi no Hakoniwa ni Ukabu Tsuki
Kinai - Kemonohito Omegaverse
Rumspringa no Joukei
Neon Sign Amber
Tokyo Boy Meets Country
Ten Count
Itou-san
Sensei wa Butchozura Shite Yatte Kuru
Sayonara, Itoshi No My Friend
Mother's Spirit
Koi Ni Nare!

Ahahaha! This topic again. I love your comment about literature and fiction influencing people about how to act in real-life society. And yes, I was being sarcastic. There are a lot of 12-16-year-old kids who are online being exposed to what they are not supposed to. Their parents are usually not as good at technology as their kids.

And regarding non-consensual acts, as long as one party says no: the act must be stopped. If that party was being timid or embarrassed, he will also be the losing side by being a killjoy and a cockblock. But the other person (seme) just can't assume that they are being timid or embarrassed, he must respect the rejection no matter how he believes it to be fake.

Thanks! :)

I forgot to talk about that sentitive subjetc brough by Penguin: rape of timid person. What the fuck is this argumentation. So all the people who are timid with others have to watch themselve because they will be rape more than others just because of that. Wow! I think I will go buy myself a chastity belt in metal.

For no reasons you can push someone to have sex with you, force them to go as the rythm you impose on the other without discusson. Why it will be a better idea to do what the faster person decide or the less shy? Who decide it was the only way between persons to have sex? Not me. You can think of love someone if you don't respect him, it's sexual slavery.

Hey I am getting notifications about this topic again (wow it has been 4 years) and I'd just like to say that my view has changed since I last commented and I pretty much agree with you at this point.