stop complaining

Your words are so wise <3 YOUR MAJESTY <3

Thank gosh Someone said it...

tru dat. they should've known they were going to read something heavy and fucked up and the author is quite known for making twisted stories like this too. there's hundreds of shounen ai out there why are they looking for that here lmao

Same goes to any other psychological yaoi genre, people keep on complaining that they're awful

Both ogawa chis and harada manga is twisted but i still like read their manga

Harada is Much better and mature author.... Her psychological portraits of characters are very accurate and we'll described...

Huhu. Oh no someone had audacity to complain, horrible.
What did you expect? Critique and criticism will always exist if something is exposed to the public.
What's more it's not about the story not being fluff and romantic. It's about the same ILLOGICAL, overused, repetitive BL TROPES which don't make much sense. About how the plotline is predictable. About the plot holes.
It's good you enjoy the story but give. A chance to people who want to express why they don't like it. I'm not going to drop the story after years. I want to see how it's going to end although I'm disappointed in the writing.

Is just ruining the experience for everyone if you complain, specially if it iis a web where you know most people there are fans. if I am somehow dissapointed, I just recognize it and let people enjoy themselves. People here read comments to find people who enjoy the same things as you, if you hate it just go to your twitter and cry your eyes out there, not here people want to enjoy things. Specially when you just finish reading something you like, you just want to say how happy you are and you read this comments, is just being an asshole.
Yeah we know it is not a master piece NOBODY CARES. We don’t need it to be, to love it!!

But tbh I don't get the idea that comment sections are intended only for fans. Because I thought the point of comment section is to share, express your opinion. Which doesn't have to be superlative.
Stranger's opinion shouldn't ruin your experiences and make you question your own feelings. But it can give you wider perspective and you can look at the story from different aspect.
Also many FANS who enjoyed the story in the past and invested years into it, are just disappointed with the current writing.

these is a page where people read mangas, if you don’t like a manga you just don’t read it, you leave in the first chapters so finding these comments is not something that I don’t expect the first few chapters, but by now you either like it or not, if you are dissapointed just drop it, nobody cares. It feels like you are just reading it because you just want to keep complaining about it.
I don’t question my own feelings I love this manga your opinion will never change that. These comments don’t ruin my experience with the manga but with the community which is why these pages exist, these translations are made for fans by fans. I can look at a story from a lot of angles and aspects. I don’t need anyone to tell me their analysis we can all make our own, specially if is just to shit on it. Remember authors go through a lot, they sometimes have deadlines other works I don’t expect perfection from them I better try to understand. This way I enjoy things a lot better.
It feels like those kids in the class that think they are special because they don’t like the current fashion, and just go around saying it, they are not especial, they just want attention, and everybody just hates them.

With all due respect how many comments did you see me making in this particular story?
It's COMMENT SECTION, not fan section. There is no rules in what tone the comments are supposed to be. It's not going to be censored because it's going to ruin someone's experience. If it does then that someone is insecure of their own tastes. Everyone has right to express their feelings and opinion.
If you want sterile environment then create one.
Take your own medicine "don't like, don't read". No one forces anyone to read not so superlative comments.
Why should someone drop the story after years of reading it? Maybe they used to like it but now the writing is disappointing? And we are at the very end of the whole series.
Sorry but I completely don't get your message. No, people read a story and express their opinion, it's not about being cool. If you express your opinion in some comment section like for example PoTN and it's not so positive there is a big chance you are going to be attacked, sometimes even personally attacked by the fans.
The point of comment section are discussions, exchanging views, brainstorms, not writing the same repetitive: character X is cute, y hot, fuck me daddy" etc.
Why does positive opinion is more valuable than negative one?
I don't expect perfection but still I can point things which I didn't like and explain why?

It is not just here there are people who want to completly change the manga they are reading so it can fit to their ridiculous idea of what is moraly correct, or compare it to other mangas that have a whole different genre and nothing to do with it. (like the first girl said)
One thing is to say well I am sad that this manga is being rushed or something and other one is to say "this is shit, I expected so much of it and is just another dissapointment, I don´t know what the author is doing is he/she stupid?", or even things like it is mysoginistic and asume things of the author and just plain insult them and their work. I think the must important thing is to express yourself with respect specially if you are following it, because if not you are just a hypocrite. When you say it like that is obviously just to be an asshole and is going to make people angry because readers usually have an emotional attachment to a manga and they just shit on it.
"The point of comment section are discussions, exchanging views, brainstorms"about this I guess that is ok but I just see people doing that in order just to hate on it, very rearly have I seen it done in a good way, literally just two times. Also those are the bad fandom that even attack an author so much they have to change their story or to finish it fast and everything is ruined.
I wish there was a good and bad comment section because when people read a manga they just want to share with people who like it too (is just a thing of the moment), not with assholes who think their analysis is new and interesting as long as is about the bad things, these people think that other people can't notice the bad writting or anything without their "help", no things like that are very obvious, that is the vibe I get and responding to these people they usually demonstrate that. they don't want to share their opinion they just want to appear superior. Not all but this is why is gives a bad taste is just full of hate and attention sicking.
As I said these don't ruin my experience with the manga, but the moment with the comunity. You said it is dissapointing ok then don't read it, it makes you feel dissapointed which is a bad experience, if you said it is a little dissappointing, but I still love it, so I will read it, but you express it like you are obligated to do it, just so you know what happens, you are not forced to do it, if you don't enjoy it what do you do that for, if you keep reading it and then complaining about it then is like you are hurting yourself and then crying about it and nagging other people. Also if one can express their opinions about a manga, others can express that they think their opinion are trash, boring and plain stupid like those who want this to be sweet and romantic and healthy just really stupid.
Sterile? No, just less obnoxious.

I'm tired of this useless and pointless discuss.
Once again with all due respect it's NOT about "their ridiculous idea of what is morally correct". It's about bad, repetitive, illogical writing, about a story which had so much potential but in the process we got typical BL story with additional rape scenes which don't bring ANYTHING to the story beside pornographic content.

I've read a very good comment about the matter:
"for the set up of the story karino was actually the villain but the writer didn't know how to execute an enemies to lovers plotline and made karino too bad too walk back naturally. instead of giving azusa revenge or rehabilitating karino we get the replacement villain, eno, to make karino seem less bad in comparison. So now they can team up against their common enemy forgetting their past differences (karino being a repeat rapist) and rejecting natural consequences for their actions. Their character arcs are stilted and the original tension between them is not fulfilled. We could have had a story without the absurd amounts of rape that focuses on these two characters and how they differently maneuver within the restrictions of power structures in society to vie for limited resources and exist comfortably. On opposite sides of a battle, but with the same desires, how do these two people come to understand each other and work together to shape the world in their image and make space for them both. But instead we got repetitive/meaningless rape scenarios, underdeveloped commentary on the corrupting nature of power (within and outside of the school), rushed and half baked character development, and a romance that we really cant even root for because it's just yaoi Stockholm syndrome."

Authors can write whatever they want but readers have right to point what they think could have been done better.

I don't agree with mindless, disrespectful insults but if someone can give constructive critique with good argumentation and explanation of their point then why not.

You make a lot of assumptions about other people and their intentions which I can't agree with.

I can't with "don't like don't read" argument. I'm going to read it because I can and I'm going to comment because I can. It's a basic human right. I like to finish things which I started because MAYBE just maybe I will be surprised by some sequences and solutions.

I don't like the words you are using. No one is crying, no is nagging. People just EXPRESS their opinion. Negative opinion or pointing flaws is not nagging or crying automatically. Smh. I think well explained not so superlative comments it's much more valuable than writing repetitive "xyz is cute,hot, I want them together,Karino save Azusa!...".

Of course you can discuss why you don't agree with someone's opinion... I don't see your point

Also your post is so passive aggressive I can't.
I'm seriously not going to waste more time on this pointless discussion. So it's my last message. People have right to express their opinion of course its preferable and should be in polite tone. But comment sections are for EVERYONE. It's a site with webtoons and different comics, not Caste Heaven fandom official site but even there everyone should be allowed to share THEIR experience and perspective on the story.

And one more @Mimi comment in the matter
"why do we have to consume media without an opinion about the content? there's nothing wrong with critical thinking. if we all just pretended that every story was perfect the comments would be lies and extremely boring. if people dont critique art or media then there's no bar for good work and all we'll ever have is disappointing content. Just because there are elements of the story that are subpar doesnt mean that the commenters who mention them dont find other parts of the story worthwhile. TBH the story is super messy in execution but the original concept is still interesting and the some of the characters (notably azusa) are very compelling to readers. Thus people can hate how repetitive and absurd the story became while still being invested in the conclusion. Also who made you the comment section police? Just as you dont care to see people complain about the stories we also dont care to see you complain about the comments."

And I don't have anything more to add I think I've covered most parts in my previous post. So I'm not going to keep replying because it's pointless. You have your vision, I have mine, we don't agree and no one is going to convince the other party.
Have a nice day.

Of course you are tired I am too of someone who doesn’t get that the things we are talking about are different, you just seem to think we hate on all negative comments and no, just idiotic ones.
For example taking the comments you gave me; even when the first one makes sense, which must don’t and that is what the original comment was stating, my response would be if you think you can write better than the author go do it then, there are a lot of fanfic places to change it however you want, but again it was not your original idea at all so…..too bad. Don’t go around complaining of what you didn’t get, make it yourself if it is that easy. And if she keeps reading it a hypocrite too.
The second girl would be a comment I actually like because it has balance, at the same time it criticizes the work, also points their good parts, so it makes sense if she decides to keep reading it, she is not a hypocrite or annoying.
Don’t go changing the initial narrative to somehow make yourself, someone unrelated to what it was referred in the first place and other people who actually write good comments the targets, these comments weren’t even related to them. But to stupid ones and you are just justifying them, giving them more credit than they deserve. Someone who says that they just wanted this manga to be fluff or someone that says the author is useless and even worst, portraying her as a rapist apologist are just plain stupid and I have read that not just here but in other works, so some of the experience I write about that I had, is from different works.
On another subject a lot of people take manga and if it doesn’t align with their moral compass and instead of dropping it just cry over it but keep reading it just to cry over it again and again in every chapter, and then try for every reader to think the same way they do and if they don’t, they call them a pedophile or something (again don’t change the target of what I just said), in that part I was talking about the different types of people who make negative comments and why I hate some of them. Also, I make those assumptions based on what they write, in the vibe they give which usually is just a way for them to express how they think they are superior to the other readers and the author, and after speaking with them usually just end up justifying their point saying they took a course of creative writing on something so nobody else can know but them. Again, I am not talking about everyone, something that you didn’t get apparently.
I don’t care if you don’t like the words I am using, a lot are crying and nagging in the comments, and if you are just going to keep complaining after every chapter then you too, you are being repetitive too, you are not any better of the ones who call Karino daddy, which at least can be fun sometimes. “I am disappointed, but I wanna keep reading and complaining about the same thing over and over again”, ok defend your right to be annoying, and I will defend my right to tell you it is useless and stupid. (I am not going to search for it like you searched those comments to express what you couldn’t)
Also the one who says I am passive aggressive is the same one using “with all due respect” in every comment. Well good night then, bye.

You are so insolent and rude I have no words. Well deserved block.

And the quoted comments were written by the same person.
You don't have to be a writer, sport player, cook to evaluate. What a delusional idea even.

Once again EVERYONE has right to express themselves as long as they stay in less or more polite tone. And I've seen a lot of comments explaining exactly WHY they are disappointed.

I've wrote ONE TOPIC, exactly one topic and idk few comments under different topics.

And sorry English is like my third language and I've learned it on my own so I'm not so sophisticated to express myself and used quotes of someone who thinks in similar way to myself and they've agreed with my original comment with thoughts on the story.

"people in the comments keep on complaining about how “fucked up” the school is and how they want only the fluff." I'd love to see these supposed comments demanding only fluff. Seriously.

"also, it's psychological? if the story is not to your taste then just drop it and shut up? i loved this book from start to end, I've started reading this since 2017. WE DO NOT NEED PPL LIKE YOU WHO ENTER THE FANDOM ONLY TO HATE BECAUSE IT ISN'T FLUFF AND SWEET AND ALL ROMANTIC. STOP COMPLAINING THAT IT'S TRAUMATIZING"
Oh the psychological excuse. Everything is called psychological these days when it contains rape and Stockholm syndrome from the victim.
Who the OP is to say what people are needed and who not. Who gave them a right to police the comment section. The very idea is ridiculous and I see it's too mind blowing to you and OP that in the end we are forced to co exist. People with different ideas, even annoying ones to you.
I will be honest I didn't see so many comments demanding pure fluff and rainbows. It's rather exaggerated expression. And people didn't complain only because of fluffy disappointment.

And that's all. Bash me more. Offend and degrade me more. It only mirrors your level.

I've done the effort even. Checked last 50 pages and guess what... One or two people were demanding fluff. Gasp who would have thought. My problem with OP from the very start was their whole post is literally taken out of thin air. Most people complained about repetitive rape scenes which didn't bring anything to the story, about stolen translation, about disappointing writing and the rest was in superlative tone... But oh well people were called snowflakes because they questioned the necessity of rape scenes between main couple which realistically would heavily impacted their relationship but BL logic, rape has no consequences.
So live in your bubble
Smh

Awww I knew you were going to come back XD, also why are you responding me if I am blocked??? Well don’t get how that works, yeah I am a little rude so what? I am not accusing you of anything. Thought you were done expressing your idea. I did too, so what’s the point of it?
If they are written by the same person it doesn’t matter, one is complete and expresses her overall opinion and the other one doesn’t.
“You don't have to be a writer, sport player, cook to evaluate. What a delusional idea even”, I never said that, once again you are interpreting everything the way you want to.
No kidding English is my third language too, how cool is that?
It being psychological is a perfect excuse for why you shouldn’t be asking for fluff and it only applies to that, nobody said that as an excuse for any other problem in the writing. Also, Stockholm syndrome is a PHYCHOLOGICAL syndrome, and rape have PSYCHOLOGICAL consequences so I think that fits into the genre.
Oh the OP can say whatever they want to, it is not like they are finding you and killing you for it. She can tell you to shut up and to express what they think of you and your opinions, it is not ridiculous. The point of this is that some comments make some people get a little angry, because they are stupid or hypocrite and people can say it, and you can either ignore them or you know obey them, or keep talking, but calling your human rights card and cry about it again for yet some other thing is dumb.
But I don’t understand now you were defending your right to criticize something the way you want to and now that I am doing it, you get overly emotional about it. I expressed my point I think that behavior of yours (of reading something just to complain about it) is annoying, and demonstrates a need for attention, and approval (but that is just my opinion). It is not just you but several other and I don’t need to read 50 pages of comments to find that. I have already seen too much of them without even searching so the original comment is perfectly justified.
Hey! you were the one who said that you don’t understand why people tell you to stop reading if you don’t like the manga, so I responded what I think of people who do that, I never said anything offending you in any other way if I you decided to get offended for the other types of comments I criticized that’s on you. It certainly mirrors my level of English :3. Well I hope this is really your last comment cause I didn’t expect 3 of them so yeah…. This is getting too long for just comment section, is boring and I am sleepy. Bye, I hope I am blocked. ヾ(❀╹◡╹)ﾉ~

You were blocked because you are rude :) that simple ~ (๑•ㅂ•)و✧ I had discussions with people with completely different opinion but they stayed cultural and polite and I've never blocked them.

Huhu the problem is the rape has basically no consequences and impact la gasp and it's not even treated as pathological copying mechanism or a real Stockholm syndrome, it's a BL parody of Stockholm Syndrome, badump badump lOvE.

No, this comment was initiated by exactly one comment which appeared just before their post, I've read even some comments in April. It's exaggerated, triggered post taken out of thin air because in MANY cases it was never about the lack of fluff. I seriously spent my time and searched for the supposed crowd of people demanding "only fluff" unfortunately didn't see many posts like that :(

Oh you seriously don't see a difference between negative comments and people policing the comment sections and demanding only positive ones which limits the others' basic rights?
If you don't see a difference I don't know what to tell you.

I interpret everything the way I want? Look at you XD

The whole idea how keeping reading because you want to see how the author will execute the ending and close some threads although you are disappointed in the current writing (but still interested in some threads) make people in your eyes hypocrites is ridiculous on its own.

"be if you think you can write better than the author go do it then, there are a lot of fanfic places to change it however you want, but again it was not your original idea at all so…..too bad. Don’t go around complaining of what you didn’t get, make it yourself if it is that easy."
Lmfao what. Once again she doesn't have to write anything, critique of literature are rarely writers, she can point things she believed could have been done better, the same you can comment in the restaurant the food is too cold, too salty, too whatever or I can comment that the first service of tennis player is lacking although I don't have to be a writer, cook or tennis player to notice and comment on this things. What's more they are professionals when we are not.

OP has all the right to express their feelings about other comments but unfortunately she has no right to demand others to shut up :(

You still repeat over and over again how I keep complaining and being annoying when I basically wrote ONE, exactly ONE topic in this comment section.

Oh I'm so sure you are going to keep replying because you have to have the last word~