Wow a character that actually "CAME OUT" to there parent! And P.S. STOP COMPLAINING

It's not kink and it's not fetishistic. You're one heavy labeler here. It' s just Yaoi, it's just good and it may serve different purposes than representing your ideas of a perfect gay identity. So if you're tired of discussing it as soon as someone talks back to you, don't start a discussion at all. Because like this it is none.

except i engaged the person i replied to in a back-and-forth, until she started talking about things that had nothing to do with my original point. she acknowledged this herself. nor did i say anything about this particular manga being kinky and/or fetishistic - i'm talking about yaoi in general, which does contain a lot of gay fetishism and kink. if you wanna debate this you're welcome to do so.

Hi I wrote the parent comment. I didn't mean to offend anyone and l will not aplogize for the comment but I will say that I'm sad that people have made it a LGBT issue. I did not reply to someone else's comment but made my own to vent my frustrations. I'm not going to state my gender or argue sexuality I just thought in MY PERSONAL OPINION that the seme loved the uke... Yes there where circumstances and complications in there relationship but that's just how the story went and I appreciate the author for creating a story with interest and flavor. Sure it could have used an extra chapter to deepen there relationship and hopefully there is. But don't misunderstand and think that I was using my comment to attack anyone or was being overly sensitive, I was using my free speech to evoke how I felt about what I saw as anyone should... And thank you for reading my option even if you don't agree (cause it's really long) ╮(￣▽￣)╭

I didn't mean the manga either. I mean Yaoi- fandom in general. You just called it that. Why? Cause some yaoilovers are pretty emotional? I call that generalization.
And I really read your first comment above there as a very personal stated opinion about how same-sex-relationships between men should be represented. And just like someone else mentioned, that's not the point of Yaoi at all. So your critic may be right and all in general reality but general reality is clearly not, what these manga are about. I mean no one goes to little girls telling them their beautiful pink furry winged unicorn toys should be black or brown without any wings at all just to fit reality more. Or do you actually do that?I really wonder now :)

"Yaoi has never been intended for men/gay men." I just comprehended is how I read it. Did not mean any harm in what I said. Moenie op jou voken hoog perdjie klim nie.

I personally am fine with people stating their opinion, even if I disagree. Sadly, it seems like people are all too happy to argue over something I'm beginning to suspect is a miscommunication piled on top of side issue.:)

a few points:
1) comparing gays to unicorn toys is a completely false equivalency, and i think you know that. i mean... we are real people, not some abstract concept or fairytale. stereotypes about minorities that are perpetuated through media can be harmful at worst and annoying at best. i've met many fruit flies who only want to be acquainted with me because of their misconception about what gay people are supposed to look and act like, and who expect me to fit some kind of norm because of the gay love novels and BL they read. so even if you say "general reality" is not what BL manga is about, a lot of people DO take it at face value.
2) uhhhh yaoi fandom IS fetishizing. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fetish yaoi fans co-opt gay characters and gay intercourse for their own sexual pleasure - that's pretty much the textbook definition of fetishizing. which is FINE, but let's not pretend that's not true.
3) of course it's a personal opinion and i do not claim to be a spokesperson for all LGBT people. nor do i object to yaoi being women-oriented, that's fine, and i get that yaoi is a fantasy for many people. but i think the people who are being fetishized in a medium should be allowed to express their opinions about how they're being portrayed, even if they're not the target audience for that medium.

Thank you for your sincere reply even if we did not see eye to eye I'm happy someone is understanding of this predicament. I am thinking about "muting" this comment thread or even deleting it to keep the peace. I didn't foresee this happening (wrote the OG comment at like 3 am) and it leaves me very troubled... We are all Yaoi lovers and I don't like long conflict... Thanks ╥﹏╥

Well, "Yaoi has never been intended for men/gay men." ≠ "gay men can't read yaoi"


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True. I read wrong when I wrote that.

Ignore the last sentence which is not in English. It was meant somewhere else, did not see It was in the message.

Yeah I did it to myself...

People you need to understand that Japanese culture is different than our own. They dont even take rape seriously unless it was violent and you ended up hurt in other places other than your
vagina. Most yaoi consist of girlish men with handsome men that fight over who is the uke and dont ever switch positionsand most ukes have to be susubmissive. So over there this manga is well received. He came out to his parents, found out he couldn't have children then his father found a cure but he still went back to his uke. Some one commented that yaoi is yaoi and LGBT is LGBT and they are 100% right. I personally didn't like the manga but i dont really expect much of yaoi to keep with my own views nevertheless i do greatly enjoy a lot of yaoi.

Amen!!

Calm down
I m not straight either. And all i can say yaoi isn't represent any lgbt in it. Most yaoi or yuri ARE NOT represent lgbtq. It's not like we are supporting dubious attitude or toxic relationship by praising this manga. We read it because it's fiction and it's for fun. Example : rape theme are the still favorite. But that doesn't mean these fans want to rape people or support rapist. What I don't support is btw underage people reading yaoi. So they can misinterpreted the meaning of fiction. And use it as guide lol. End of word, don't take it seriously :)

Nah, I'm not comparing gay people to unicorns. I'm comparing unicornes to yaoi-manga. Both are just a work of fiction. And if anything they represent a lot of female approach to the world, but I'm not really sure about that. That may be only MY impression. But I'm very sure they're not ment to represent actual males, gay or not.
I don't know, where you get your experience with all the crazy BL fangirls from though. But not everybody here is a fetishist or going crazy over some juicy pictures. Some just enjoy reading these manga. In a relatively composed way ;)
Your explanation clusters are very nice :) I'm not that kind of a structuralizing person, so I hope you can get along with my text anyway.

I don't mind the opinion, but age is just a number and mentally understanding is a different point u got to keep in touch. I started reading underage. Don't know about u but everyone grows up differently so I would keep in mind for what I am saying. Awareness is a good thing u know.