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Dude same i dropped it then picked it back up again. Its hard to explain but it had potential. Im so upset to see it go this way mmaannnn

IKR?? this is romanntasizing rape n toxicity :))

If you think is shitty then just don’t watch it

A little yeah, so what?

thats like telling me that someone is dying n to not help them. Its called ignoring the problem :))

uhhh... that harmful towards the mind of people reading this, espicially the people whose minds are not fully developed

But that is exactly why this manwhas are for adults not kids. This is fiction there is no real problem here. Is not like someone is dying as you say. Let me ask you do you think romantisizing rape and toxic relationships in fiction for adults should be censored? Because that is the impression i get from these coments.

I'm sorry, I wasn't clear here, I meant, young adults... 17-20.... these people are still developing people.... What I mean to say is that.... rape n toxic relationships should be portrayed in the light that they are supposed to be presented.... people should know its real effects on other people.

Romanticizing rape and toxic relationships in positive light sets in these people's minds as okay things... If someone rapes or cheats on you, just forgive them n live ur life with them.... is that really something okay??

Tbh, I wanna have a nice pleasant discussion here, I'm not here u fight... or anything, just a discussion... Thank you very much :D

yeah I am not here to fight either I just woke up :)
I agree a little when you say that 17-20 year old are still developing adults, maybe the age for watching this kind of things should be at 20 not 18. I can see how this people can be affected by this, but it is also truth that you can find toxic behavior being romanticized everywhere in other media and in real life, I think what affects people the most is real life behavior, and if fiction affects you too much is usually because you already have some kind of horrible real life example.This is porn like it is not a place where I come to find any kind of guide, just entertainment.

Nevertheless, I dont think in any way that relationships in fiction should always be portrayed in a healthy, mature way, or that rape and toxic behavior should be presented in a bad light, Because that is limiting fiction which is a scape in which anything can happen: you can fly, you can go into a great adventure and you can find a great love which even if it is toxic it can work out so, I think the most important thing is for people to be responsible for what they consume. Fiction should NEVER be your guide in the way you live your life. Creators should be free to do whatever they want to do....

So in fiction everything is OK, it lets you dream and I don't want people to loose that posibility and the posibility to express themselves. Sometimes fiction is also cathartic for the author and for the consumer as it lets you let out your own toxicity or even cope with some kind of trauma (I don't mean this fiction specificaly).

It is also not my problem if inmature people watch this, their parents should be the ones concerning themselves with it and teaching the way reality works to their children also reality teaches you when you don't listen to anyone, experience is really the best teacher. And most people consume different types of works not just the toxic ones.

Good morning to you :D (I'm not being sarcastic)

First of all, this was what I was looking for... a convo with someone who had a diff opinion n wasn't just cursing at me, thank you for being Sensible (Again, m not being sarcastic)

Second of All, I kinda understand ur view on this now... thou, I still stand with my own opinion on this matter, I partially agree with yours too.

I think fiction should have that freedom especially cz it is fiction... Like u stated, all relationships shouldn't always be healthy n bad ones shouldn't always be presented in a bad light. After reading ur argument, I agree with that sentiment too.

But, I don think this piece of fiction portrays any of that... if this is just fiction, then it's not well-presented fiction. This isn't porn, if it was, I wouldn't be sitting here having a discussion on the matter. N if it is, it doesn't present itself that way. It tries to tell a story but fails miserably at it.

To conclude, I think this just isn't good fiction :)

Yeah cursing doesn’t get you anywhere.

Mmm ok I get this is your opinion on this particular work, I understand where you come from in this matter. The reason I read mangas and not just watch porn is because it usually delivers a story sometimes good and sometimes not that good, but Porn is still a big part of it as the relationship’s dynamic and sex dynamic influence each other their toxicity can be seen in their interactions in life and in the bedroom, and it enhances the emotions in the sexy parts that tension that fear is part of the experience.

So in order to enjoy everything I try not to see it from the point of view of an advocate for healthy relationships, so I just let go some flaws in story telling because in the end I read this for the emotions that cause me, and I try to consider that authors are also not perfect and that sometimes other factors are important like editors, the people that invest for mangas to be released who sometimes rush things etc.

Also this is a personal matter but I also get why people get angry at this kind of comments cause when you enjoy something and you go to the the comments is usually to find opinions on other people that like the same thing as you do and to feel like you are sharing something like inside jokes or simping over a character, even when you know it is not a perfect work and seeing people criticizing it harshly and sometimes judging it like is reality just ruins the good time you are having scaping said reality. So usually when I don’t like something I just don’t comment on it or the reasons why I don’t like it, because I don’t want anyone to feel that way.

Ik :))

hmm, yes. Porn is also a big part of this and it, in my opinion, adds to the fact y I don like it but hey, that's okay. I also get that author ain't perfect and some editors only want bucks n this can lead to some things getting ruined. N i too, have stopped caring abt story progression and things cz everything isn't a masterpiece and I cant just hate everything, that just plain sad.

I get y people don like people when they bash on something they like. I like Clannad n I've seen a lot of people say that it's boring or is just not good. Yea, that kinda makes u sad but that doesn't mean u can go arnd cursing at them. Just ignore em n continue ur fangirling or boying. But hey, people won stop doing what they like to do best.

I also don usually comment on those mangas I don like, I'll rate it according, call it eww in my tags n move on with life... the thing is... n this might be a lil personal, but I was kinda done toxicity being passed around as positivity (n yes, after reading ur arguments, I have molded my opinions) that I just couldn't keep it to myself. I just wanted some opinions, n I wanted to know what was going inside the mind of people who like this so much.

I really appreciate your time that u took to explain ur views (especially when most people aren't even open to the idea of changing their op) cz now I kinda understand n m calm now. I hope we don end on bad terms, I really liked this discussion. :D

Yeah it was a nice discussion, I got inspired LOL and I respect your point of view.

I haven’t seen people passing toxicity as positivity just as a joke, but if I see i’ll try to correct them obviously if its not a joke.

On that note if you want a non toxic manga I recommend Koimonogatari, is so sweet and really good but slow story.