mmmm....the second story

I get where you're coming from. Honeymoon periods cast rosy puffs of cloud that soften psychological blows, and this couple hasn't dealt with frustrations and everyday betrayals that come up when that sense of freshness has worn off. They still seem to react at the more extreme polar frequencies of emotion, between rejection and self-abandonment, which doesn't bode well. The most we could probably ever expect is, at this point and time, Ken's aggression is held at bay, and maybe shame at his past self will contain that anti-social behaviour in the future. Those aren't very good odds, but his partner seems aware of the process. I think Ogeretsu Tanaka is amazing for tackling this subject at all, especially dealing with a violent abuser.

dude you're not God ╮(￣▽￣)╭
there's tons of people out there in the real world doing terrible shit and living in pure ignorant bliss, but in a manga THERE IS a "God", because someone created that story, that universe, the characters, and is leading the story exactly where they want and how they want and everything has been decided by them. To say that you think someone deserves staying in solitude for the rest of their lives is a pretty ignorant statement, I also want to bomb those ISIS pricks but not because
"they deserve it" I can't just up and decide that because I am not more important than they are for me to have power to pass judgement over their lives, even more so when you are talking about a fictional universe who someone purposefully created for... reasons.

Although I do get your sentiments and your logic is appreciated, I don't think that saying that a CHARACTER in a story created from someone for the purpose of making you think all these things through that you are talking about has given you the right to talk about what YOU think THEY deserve. Did all that make sense to you? Even I'm kind'a confused.
O_o ┑(￣Д ￣)┍

Oh also, sure enough abuse is a horrible thing, but you can't always picture things from Mother Teresa's pov and think you are the sinless saint person that can use words like disgusting to describe people who have wronged others. People are created by their circumstances and their DNA, none of which of course can they control by their logic, since that IS how an individual's logic is shaped in the first place. You cannot just harbor disgust over someone being a dck, because it's all really a matter of luck. You are who you are because of an endless series of events that connected to each other and that is how everyone develops a sense of self which changes by the minute, might I add. So yeah, more than disagreeing with you (although I am) I am more making a point about your choice of words.
I hope I don't sound like a smartass snob person I'm trying to be legit here since this is in my opinion a really important subject to touch upon.

Well my opinion too. Oh so you hate ken because of what he did in the past? So what now, he doesnt allowed to be happy? How violent ken is, is only one part of himself that the author showed to us. Snce you showed us your judgemental side then its okay for us to freaking hate you right? Dont judge the aspects of human base on few facts, even if you know the person from how he act outside, you never get to inside his/her head to say that “He/she is reaaly like that” dont make light of the word DESERVING because everyone is deserving and everyone has their own kindness no matter how bad they are. You should be actually grateful of a person show you his kindness because some humans think thrice before he/she decided if he/she would show his/her kindness to you, and the foul side that they sometimes base that onv“if you are deserving” .For me, my forehead cringe at the people who make the word DESERVE at such lightness. So for ken, he doesnt show his being caring if the person isnt that close to him right?

The mangaka doesn't excuse it morally, so it's not like it IS a morally valid reason. However, this is actually a common occurrence.. especially in a hypermasculine culture, men who are made powerless (in the public sphere) go home to beat their wives (in the domestic sphere) to regain some sense of control/power, to feel like they're still "better" than someone. It's also a concern of postcolonial theory; men oppressed in colonized countries further restrict the liberties of women, as they can't fight against the colonizers. Well. I'm going on a tangent, but it's really not that unheard of.

yea, i totally understand, i know the mangaka didn't just make up these kinds of stories, they would have gotten it from real life events and stories.

wow, i was quite offended by your opening sentence. i never said or implied that i was god. i only stated my opinion, which is MY OWN (i wrote it i caps as an emphasis, not shouting - its hard to get my tone across messages when writing). Also, i did not direct it towards anyone, well except the characters. i do not understand why you have taken offense and direct such harsh comments towards me.
you say i am ignorant because of my statement about ken not deserving happiness....but then you say an even more ignorant comment "you cannot just harbor disgust over someone being a dck, because it's all really a matter of luck" but who are you to say that i can't feel what i feel, i mean you even said "You are who you are because of an endless series of events that connected to each other and that is how everyone develops a sense of self" which contradicts what you said to me.

iundertsand that this manga is a "stroy" and the character are fictional, and all i did was comment about how i felt towards to manga. I mean i was expecting some disagreement, but more reasonable disagreement. I expectedpeople saying things like " i disagree with you because ...etc" i did not expect people to "attack" (lack of a better word) me and take personal offense to my post.

and no, you don't sound like a snob, but you did confuse me a little.

so i interpreted a rather heated and emotional tone in your reply. And I guess my opinion was a landmine for you hm. For you to take such offense at something that wasn't directed at you. i am my own person, i didn't make light of my use of deserving. i knew fully well that i wanted to use it in my post.
sure, "freaking hate me" if you like, your hostility doesn't matter, and that's because i choose not to let it bother me.
and the sentence you wrote "Dont judge the aspects of human base on few facts, even if you know the person from how he act outside, you never get to inside his/her head to say that “He/she is reaaly like that” i am sure you yourself had some sort of bias judgement against me as you wrote your reply, otherwise it wouldn't have been so intense. EVERYONE (caps for emphasis, not shouting or anything like that) judges others, whether they are aware of it or not, its only natural. Also, as i mentioned above, i am my own person, so i am allowed to judge, and i will judge people by how they act, it is human nature to create a first impression of someone, its a survival thing.

so i know you are not trying to say that kens violent behaviour is good, but what i got from your comment "You should be actually grateful of a person show you his kindness because some humans think thrice before he/she decided if he/she would show his/her kindness to you" (in reference to the manga) is that shuuna should be grateful for kens "act of kindness" of letting him go? after all those beatings? - that i do not understand.

and yes, i meant it when i said i am disgusted by ken and that i don't believe he deserves happiness. it is how i feel about the character ken from the manga Renai-rubi no Tadashii Furikata.

I have my own opinion as do you. so please, just state your opinion, do not push your opinion onto me. (=・ω・=)

Women can be the abuser. It is not just women who end up in these situations. There types go unreported.The reasons for abuse are ,many and individual as the abuser. drug and alcohol addiction, low self esteem of the abuser (and the victim). Mental health issues. and so on.

mm i agree, there are so many reasons, but i just don't believe that those who abuse deserve s second chance, they should receive the same amount or more, of the suffering and scarring they put onto their victims. again, it is just what i believe, if you disagree, i understand.

yea, i too think the mangaka did an awesome job or portraying their characters and circumstances.

I also think that yaoi is largely a romance genre, which adheres to ideals like love conquers all. Unless the mangaka has no problem with being known for dark themes, like Ogawa Chise, they tend to keep the resolutions peppy and upbeat. That may also be imposed by editors and publishers and, ultimately, sales figures. It isn't a kind formula for pragmatists or realists.

dude, I was not angry or anything nor did I want to annoy you. Also an ignorant statement does not make someone "ignorant" in general, although I'm pretty sure in technical terms everybody is ignorant for the most part. So, I do apologize if me saying that "you are not God" somehow offended you, but I said that in a more lighthearted way.

Also I don't get how my sentences contradicted. If a series of random events that intersect are what creates someone's sense of self, doesn't that mean it's a matter of luck? I meant that you shouldn't judge someONE but the idea or the act. And I certainly do not consider this to be an attack to anyone since I was just making a point. I mean, you made your opinion clear. Also if I just disagreed then why bother.. bothering you? I legit think your judgement was ignorant so, since like I said life IS about a series of events that shape people I wanted to throw my pov in your head, just like it was probably thrown once in mine and I ended up developing it to a belief. If someone reads "the prodigal son" they don't say Oh I don't think he deserves to get more than the brother that stayed that dad did him wrong" because noone gives an f, it's a story that is trying to make a point and whoever wrote it didn't write it for people to have opinions on how judgement should have been passed. And ALL stories have a goal or a point that they are trying to make. Yaoi usually have to give you dem feels or the hots for example. This one for once had one more thing. That's all.

Anyway sorry if I upset you I am not saying this with any measure of anger or hate whatsoever and yeah even I got confused a little bit I don't do this often lol.

“shuuna should be grateful for ken, act of kindness, after all those beatings” ? What? Did ken beat shuuna? If you mean kens ex well that is clearly not kindness, cause that is abuse, if i refer to kindness that i was saying, i mean usual kindness that people seldom show, i didnt know youd refer to that as his kindness. Look for another acts of him? Then again he isnt showing anybecause hes too distant to others with regard to his feelings. And you missed my point? What i was pointing is ken deserves a chance. That deserving thing. If a chance with his ex, well ofcourse not, but if its a chance with other people who even know what happened between ken and his ex and still accepted him, and i mean shuuna, why not? You mean a person is on front of ken saying he will accept ken of all he is and he need to reject him cause hes not deserve it? -.- ken almost did that. And when did i i push my opinion to you? If you mean “you should be grateful thing” well thats my insight and im not thinking the literally you, i just used that in substitute to person. And i said i freaking hate you so why would i push my opinion to you, its clear as day im arguing in my first comment and not pushing. Anyway sorry about saying freaking hating you, its as you said heat of something, i just finished the story and i thought it was beautiful then you wreck the comments section opposing ken-chan.

And not related but you be better to watch your word cause karma bites back, you might have a trouble with deserving thing. that is not a threat, thats from my daily investigation and inquiry (lol, but the truth) im a philosopical person, and thats what actually drove me in your comments, and you can just ignore my last comment if you weird out on that （￣へ￣）

i don't think " you are not god" can be taken in a lighthearted way though? i find it more serious than my use of deserving. And thanks, apology accepted ٩(๑❛ᴗ❛๑)۶

ah, i used the wrong name xD i don't remember the name of the ex, whoops.
and what i know of philosophy when i was studying psych (one of my electives talked about philosophy) is that there isn't really any factual and statistical evidence to support those theories - not saying that you are wrong or and i am right, but thats just what i learnt, and again what i learnt could be wrong too, since everything could be proven wrong.
But i don't really believe in karma, and i don't get how my posted would be related to karma to be honest （￣へ￣）
and its cool, i don't expect everyone to like me xD because i don't think i could like everyone. and i know not everyone has the same opinions as me, since we are our own person. so apology accepted ٩(๑❛ᴗ❛๑)۶

to be honest i'm glad i can "meet" (not sure if talking through posts counts as meeting xD) people who have different opinions as me. it helps me see my views and opinions from a third party, by seeing their reaction and response to what i commented. it really does help, because i know if i say all that iv'e said to people face to face, their reaction wouldn't be as "honest," but since this is a site that allows you hode your identity, it is so much easier to be honest and not be afraid of the consequences, for example, angering someone who could accidentally run into again, making the encounter awkward xD

Definitely, as we see in this story. I didn't meant to imply only women are abused, nor to obscure the very real issue of violence against men, but I meant it as just "Party A" and "Party B" kind of way for simplicity. However, I do think many social conditions facilitate violence against women, to the point where in the U.S. at the least, it's bordering on an epidemic.

Fudge. Sorry i misclicked annoyinggg Σ( ￣□￣||)

Ahh. Wheres my reply, its gone, after i typed too long Σ(っ°Д °;)っ

Anyway making in short , you are right about “there isnt any factual and statistical things to support thoose theories” im not a believer of socrates plato or whoever in the past more like i have my own philosophy which i believe into and set it as a standard for life, in karma yeah you wont be affected if you wont notice or believe it.

When two things intersect, it would count as met. Same as people. Im glad to meet a blunt person too xD cause not everyone would actually voice out their thought in fear of being hated or being bashed. Well yeahbits just an account and they cant harm you in this, nothing to be afraid of xD you better thanks reality is not that close to a manga that of ever you argued heavily with someone in this site that turns to be your neighbor or much worse your boss xD

Very well said KattCleo.. ;)

anyway, people are people,
things change.. people make mistakes and become someone we dont want them to be and we tend to hate them for it, but possibilities are as endless as the days, just like what happened to Kanchan after being like in his past..sooooooo.. and, dont forget that, it's not impossible that things like that wont happen to us or even worse.. so we should be careful about saying something like who just deserves what.. you all get me right? i cant say it properly.. i'll get confused if i type longer.. i cant express it.. yeah, i cant.. haha!
anyway, let's just praise and thank sensei for creating this story.. i love it.. :D
i love you all! i dont intend to bash on anyone, but i'm just saying what i think about this issue.. :D so, peeeeeeace lovies!