Umm sorry but can you help me? When i read this manga, sometime i have lots of quetion about Haru's love for Ren. In many scene Haru doesn't understand why he has many acts like kissing, hugging with Ren.
http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/super_lovers/mf/f3d1b2b51cf77f59/Vol9_Ch26/pg-50/
i read to this page and feel confused when seme told he love uke because i didn't know when did seme like uke in chapters before though he told he liked uke in several times and i feel those he told just a love of big brother for his younger brother. I see this story is quiet vague.
And my english is not good so please forgive me if i make mistake
I saw and liked this anime before i had dropped it because that time i feel Haru like girls, he even had sex while he kiss Ren as a lover so i didn't like this anime. But now i quite understand these acts of Haru. Because Haru didn't realized his love for Ren...
I didn't read this far, but it looks like it takes place after the anime. If so, at this point in time, they recently both agreed they love each other romantically, I think. It's possible the translation is just bad since it's fan-translated.
Their love started to change right after the big fight with Natsuo, and Haru realized he wants to live the rest of his life with Ren.
Before that point he kisses Ren out of platonic, and not romantic love. But Haru is a complicated character. He's had memory and brain damage, he's also a host, and he likes/wants/needs physical affection. It might come off romantic, but he's really just very lonely, and the only person who gives him the physical affection and emotional comfort he needs is Ren.
Oh i quite understand what you mean. Thank you very much
Thank you so much for explaining. It really cleared things up.
I agree
wow...you actually typed this essay..and im not complaining i get what you mean..they have a connection us lonely people can only dream of having..complicated. yes but whatever makes them happy. i came here for the bl but got hooked on the characters' emotions and personalities
Just for the record, you don't have to agree with me on a personal/moral basis, but if we're strictly talking about definition/syntax:
Is it pedophilia? Traditionally pedophilia refers to attraction to prepubescent children (age 14) and under. However social construct has somehow given the impression that it's anything 18 and under...but depending on the regional law: enforcement varies. Is it a relationship with a minor? Yes. Is it pedophilia...you can argue for it either way, but their romance didn't actually start until Ren was in his late teens.
Is it grooming? No. Grooming is when someone builds a relationship, trust and emotional connection with a child or young person so they can manipulate, exploit and abuse them. Haru doesn't do anything Ren doesn't want and vice versa. He also never raised Ren with the [ intent ] of being lovers. Their relationship is a result of two people who bonded closely through time spent and space shared together.
Is it incest? Technically no...? Incest generally refers to marriage or intercourse of consanguinity (between closely blood related persons). But depending on the country, the laws might also encompass adopted children. Which I feel is pointless, as you can simply just remove yourself from the registry once you're 18 or with parental consent. Emotionally, Ren never saw Haru as a brother, and Haru...well, he was never sure of what his feelings were towards Ren until much later.
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Personal thoughts: I went to re-watch this series after many years passed. Surprisingly I still enjoyed it...but not for the BL aspect.
It's rare to find a series that explores and talks so deeply about one's emotional thoughts and feelings, and I feel it accurately portrays the pains and obstacles of people growing up and having difficult moments in strange circumstances. The characters learn, communicate, change and try to find an even ground with each other. I think that, even though the circumstances might be unsavoury (what with the age gap and legalities, etc...)... the content itself is hardly what I would consider toxic. They're always surrounded by friends and adults, and they work through their problems instead of let it fester.
I kind of consider Haru and Ren's relationship like an arranged marriage, as their whole family acknowledges their odd relationship and is looking out for them. Haru, also as far as I recall...hasn't gone to last base with Ren and won't until he's of age. And most of the things they do is well...even if it's not done with Haru, Ren is at the age where he's sexually curious, or would've already experimented with those his own age. This is especially more true for boys than girls.
But despite the dubious nature of their relationship, it's somehow, a strangely safe environment. Of course, it's fictional content, and should stay so. I would not support any of these things in real life, but the whole point of being against pedophillia, grooming and incest is because no one wants to see minors being taken advantage of. Which---well, in this case, Ren isn't being taken advantage of. I'm not saying it's ok to romanticize these things but there have been stranger circumstances in real life, and if these two love each other in a wholesome manner, then let fiction be fiction. Everyone has a story and a circumstance. I think it's crueller to deny it arbitrarily without considering individual circumstances.
At least, that's the extent of what the anime gave me the impression of. I don't recall if anything got changed/cut from the manga. If it's any worse in dubious nature or better.
In my humble last opinions, you don't have to enjoy or agree something to engage and learn from it. I think it's equally important to consume content you don't agree with to better understand what aspects you don't like and why.