Or at least lie to me and tell me he dies or smtg (he deserves it tbh)

LWJ's BITCHen February 22, 2021 7:32 pm

SPOILER ABOUT ML

As someone who dropped this. Is there anything that can justify the ml's past actions and mc choosing him in this life as well?

I really feel like nothing could but it's not like the plot is all bad, the ml is the only prob ╮( ̄▽ ̄)╭

Responses
    taelika February 22, 2021 7:37 pm

    Yes, and no. He was manipulated by black magic. At the same time, if tia didn’t reincarnate and tried to change the way she expresses her feelings, his behavior wouldn’t have changed, since it all started with his inferiority complex, believing tia looked down on him because she never expressed her feelings before. So, he never really changed by himself, if anything it’s thanks to tia

    Ro09 February 22, 2021 7:45 pm
    Yes, and no. He was manipulated by black magic. At the same time, if tia didn’t reincarnate and tried to change the way she expresses her feelings, his behavior wouldn’t have changed, since it all started w... taelika

    And she changed thanks to the awful events from her past life. We all change thanks to someone. No one can change themselves just because they want it, there always should be something or someone that influences us. That's why stop pretending like the ML is the worst because there were many factors that shaped him the way he was/is (his cold father, lack of motherly love, inferiority complex, poison, political pressure, being emotionally unstable) and Tia changed for the best in the 2nd time line thanks to the thought that her father was dead and she realized how important family is compared to her obsessive live with the ML. Stop judging him so harshly like you all are angels ( ̄へ ̄)

    1banana2potato February 22, 2021 7:45 pm

    It's hard really, cause the prince is terrible but it was the ML's past but he is different in this current time line. He abused her because of his jealousy of his father liking her more and their supposed difference he only fill in love with her this time cause he was able to learn about her and that they are not that different

    Ro09 February 22, 2021 7:46 pm
    And she changed thanks to the awful events from her past life. We all change thanks to someone. No one can change themselves just because they want it, there always should be something or someone that influence... Ro09

    obsessive love for the ML*

    1banana2potato February 22, 2021 7:51 pm
    It's hard really, cause the prince is terrible but it was the ML's past but he is different in this current time line. He abused her because of his jealousy of his father liking her more and their supposed diff... 1banana2potato

    Now that i think about it.... yeah he has no excuse he abused her because he thinks she is loved by everyone but actually he doesn't know a thing about her but now that she changed her fate and trying to avoid him he got interested in her and ending up learning that they don't have that much of a difference that they both have commoner blood which came from there mothers and know he is obsessed with her again

    taelika February 22, 2021 8:22 pm
    And she changed thanks to the awful events from her past life. We all change thanks to someone. No one can change themselves just because they want it, there always should be something or someone that influence... Ro09

    Except that tia was never a bad person. She changed positively, but she’s always been a good person, minus her obsession with ruve. On the other hand, you can’t say ruve “changed”, because his attitude towards Tia did, not himself. You can see it as ruve being ill and tia being the medecine, but medecine never fully cures an illness, it can slow the process or can lessen the pain, but the illness is still there. That’s the problem. Ruve didn’t actually changed. Besides, I’m for sure not an angel, I have my own complexes too, however I don’t project them on people. Having an inferiority complex doesn’t mean you have to bring down people with you, if you cared for them you would go down alone. And that’s not what ruve did since he leisurely took his time to convice Tia she was worthless.(yes, it was due to the black magic, but you can clearly see he doesn’t need black magic to have an inferiority complex at the start of the second timeline, and that he was already starting to project it onto tia) Yes, he’s not the worst. But he isn’t the best either. It’s not his fault he’s like that, but the things he did/ could’ve done (without the black magic) are his fault.

    Ro09 February 22, 2021 9:07 pm
    Except that tia was never a bad person. She changed positively, but she’s always been a good person, minus her obsession with ruve. On the other hand, you can’t say ruve “changed”, because his attitude ... taelika

    I agree that he could've done better at the beginning of the 2nd time line but he DID change thanks to TIA and he still has a long way to go definitely. Why give up on him so early? He did nothing awful (yet), the 2nd time line was supposed to be a new beginning for Tia but it's also for Ruve (unbeknownst to him). The only thing that he deserves to be criticized for in the 2nd time line is that he isn't letting go of Tia when she told him so many times 'no' (but let's be honest she doesn't really want that).
    And yes, Tia wasn't evil, but SHE suffered because of her own actions and while she didn't hurt anyone she indirectly hurt herself in the 1st time line. She realized now how wrong her way of thinking and living was, that's why she is so amazing rn ( she always was but now she's upgraded). But you'll forget that Ruve has no idea what an utterly bastard he was and how much pain he caused to the woman he both loved and despised. He just DOESN'T KNOW and that's why he can't just change as easily as Tia. Why you all so closed minded? Try to remember the times when you were absolutely awful to someone and if the time turned back and you didn't know how much you hurt that person, you would do it all over again, because you just don't KNOW.
    Those who read the novel explained everything and despite that people hate him but hey they still read the story despite knowing that he's the end game, read interesting.
    Sorry for my long rant, just trying to open your mind a bit but in the end that's up to you. This is my last comment here. Please learn to give people 2nd chances especially when it's a 2d character...
    Have a nice day/night (づ ̄ ³ ̄)づ

    LWJ's BITCHen February 22, 2021 9:46 pm

    Thank you so much guys (ノ≧∇≦)ノ i'll pick it back up thanks to you ヾ(❀╹◡╹)ノ~

    taelika February 22, 2021 10:14 pm
    I agree that he could've done better at the beginning of the 2nd time line but he DID change thanks to TIA and he still has a long way to go definitely. Why give up on him so early? He did nothing awful (yet), ... Ro09

    Sorry if I sounded rude ahah. I really don’t hate him, but he’s just no likeable either. If anything, the thing I don’t like is his relationship with Tia. Because the original promised goal was that Tia will be independent, a knight, and free. Tia failed to reach the goal because that’s how the author wanted it, and this is pretty frustrating because we’re not given what we were promised. If It was just that it would be fine, but the trauma thing is I think romanticized. It would’ve been better if author portrayed a realistic side of abuse and getting back with an abuser/past-abuser, but they just brushed it off. I guess I somehow took my anger on Ruve a bit, my bad. The story isn’t bad though, I like it. Have a good day/night too

    Ro09 February 23, 2021 2:03 pm
    Sorry if I sounded rude ahah. I really don’t hate him, but he’s just no likeable either. If anything, the thing I don’t like is his relationship with Tia. Because the original promised goal was that Tia w... taelika

    *cough* sooo ok this is the last one I promise lol.
    You weren't rude at all and I was mostly talking about all people who just decided to hate on Ruve without really thinking logically. I totally agree on the whole "romanticized trauma" part but I also want to point out that unfortunately this is a real thing...people (mostly girls) nowadays romanticize trauma too much and the fault lies in the authors too. Real trauma is hella serious and it's not as easily brushed off as Tia does in some parts...like the moments where her trauma is shown is kinda weak I think. That's why like we can blame either Tia or Ruve or whatever but we can't change the way the author wants to write this
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    If you want to blame someone why not that fucking bitch ( I forgot her name lol) she's honestly the worst. Such a petty and jealous bitch. In the 1st time line she was incompetent and easily manipulated and in the 2nd time line she's still incompetent, easily manipulated, selfish, greedy and just hell bent on destroying everything and everyone. Also wtf is wrong with that "god"? The fuck are they doing just ruining people's life like that. What kind of "god" is that incompetent jeez (╬ ̄皿 ̄)凸