I SWEAR TO GOD SOME OF these people make it as if the perfect stories are the ones with pe...

Finally someone that thinks the same thing! I seen so many people criticize the characters for the past mistakes they made or have it hard to talk to others in a social standpoint and never get by it and it just pisses me off. People need to be more open minded.

I hope you aren’t implying that almost raping someone is just a “past mistake”. Normal people don’t almost rape people and then go, “Woops sorry bout that fam”

there are a lot of situations that i can actually bring to relate(not my experience) to this circumstance but if youre talking about the guy in here then i consider it as a mistake and he regretted on it even which is a noble thing. Humans typically had it harder to admit their fault and apologize but in here he did. Tho if one's characteristics is not the same as his then thats a different story. Realizing what youve done wrong is much better than not doing anything about it. Having regret and guilt on it is BETTER than feeling nothing. Tbh, my answer towards your statement would differ depends on the person we're trying to see. We cant listen to their inner monologue in real life but thankfully in this manga, the author made him transparent to us and i find people who kept on pointing his wrongs are more detestable than him

No I said a mistake not rape BECAUSE rape isn’t a mistake and I know u meant nothing but as someone who has had their mother rape by their step dad I never thought of that!

For me, it’s just an unsettling feeling, disappointment. The scene seemed extremely out of character for him, and for most people in that situation. Normal people do not try to rape someone just because they say something. Yelling? Understandable. Getting mad would be standing up and being confrontational, and vulnerable not trying to literally rape someone. In no situation is rape ever someone’s go to action in response to being told something. This manga alone would give me no problems if it weren’t for the widespread romanticization and normalization of this in the majority of BL stories. Rape or attempted rape is VERY OFTEN used as plot device and is disgusting. It is quite literally HURTING gay men in real life to have this trope and is LITERALLY maximizing the stigma behind actual male on male rape. Also, in a story about teenagers who are growing or developing, yes this is an understandable mistake. But a full grown, fully developed adult man? That is not just a “mistake”

That’s okay! Sorry if I may have triggered any bad thoughts or memories, I am in the same boat as you. I got that implication from your response considering the details of this story and the other comments on it. Stay safe!

Also, to say that people calling out the gross phenomenon of normalizing rape in MANY BL stories is more detestable than actual rape and sexual assault is literally disgusting. This is exactly what it means to minimize sexual assault. “oh it was just a mistake” “he apologized and has become a better person” these are literal tactics used to manipulate victims and other people into not getting their ass thrown in jail. Do I think this character needs thrown in jail? No, not in the context of this situation since the other party was fine with it. But does that make him morally right in this situation? Absolutely fucking not. Also, you are saying “past mistakes” and “he’s said sorry and gotten better” in context to the story it HASNT been that long AND he never really addressed it. There was like a 5 second scene of “woops sorry bout that” and that was it. Nice to know that sexual assault can be justified with one apology.

just because one is an adult, doesnt mean that their matured enough. Sorry to say but i take it as if you just generalized 'an adult must act like an adult because they ARE an adult". The mangaka portrays human flaws that could be common in his/her country or maybe not, let me remind you again; this is a work of fiction that allows the author to create his/her imaginations and characters that can bring out the moral of the story. Also, im taking this stance in a logical way as i oversee the bad(s) and see what is being shown. I have no intention of normalizing anything; i literally dont mind much for a reason hard for me to explain as it is regarding my value as myself(surely people wont understand)

Okay I don’t want to start drama what I meant was like cheat and maybe fixing it I DONT MEAN RAPE how many times do I have to say that for it to get through your head I don’t know if that what the other person was think if so I wouldn’t have agree for fuck sakes I’m not some sick fuck that thinks rape is fucking ok or is justified!

I just saw that u said sorry and I’m sorry too I didn’t see it nor the other person comment and now I feel like a jackass

Youre not wrong but youre also disregarding the fact that this is a short manga. If you wish for a longer story where the seme justify his actions and making up for his wrongdoings then this is not the one for you. 5-6 chaps stories are often fast forwarded to fit the chapter planning. Introduction, rising action, conflict, receding action, conclusion(ending). Fitting a whole story in a short-lived manga is quite hard especially if the story is considered as heavy at certain point.

I know like ive said i do write and most writers write for themselves. Not everyone else so itd be better if we; as a reader to not expect a perfect story where everyone in the story is morally right. As for my opinion and thoughts, i decided to just enjoy and appreciate the beauty in creating and literary components. Most of the stories are served for us to learn from it and i only wish to judge the message behind the story. I understand that youre talking about a specific topic but i apologize as i only wish to speak things in general and common sense(especially in writing aspects)

Some people just refuses to think logically. But thats understandable for me as humans are raw in nature and are more prone to act and think with their heart

No need to apologize, you didn’t say anything wrong I’m response to me, you were very nice about it, at least from my perspective

I never said that the story needed to go in more detail and be longer to justify his actions, I simply pointed it out because you are demonizing the people who care about sexual assault and don’t just want to go, “UwU that’s just how people are” lmao years of evolution didn’t amount to you justifying rape as being human. You want to know what humans ARE? They have empathy, they have the ability to feel and care and think about others. Idk what kind of people you hang around but normal people don’t resort to assault when things don’t go their way. Also, as a writer AS WELL, specifically in the comic department, you can write for yourself all you want, but ignoring every other problem and person that could be hurt and impacted by your work is extremely irresponsible. Also, if you really want to pretend like you saw the cover and came for the “literary components” go ahead, that’s just funny. Also, I literally never said I wanted a “perfect story where everyone is morally right” I genuinely appreciate good stories where the characters are just absolutely fucked. Killing stalking is the most obvious and well known example (man that was messed up). I am specifically addressing YOU and the other people who then hate on those who treat the story as what you claim you do, a piece or literature, a story, one to analyze and pick through, one to question and talk about, especially relating the actions of the character. You say you only view it as fiction yet you are so mad that other people would DARE question a characters actions. If we question their actions, it MUST mean we are hating on the story, right?
Also I don’t know what you mean to imply with the whole “common sense” point at the end of your argument, but I don’t quite think it is something I would appreciate if understood. If you think that fiction does not impact the real world and that artists don’t have a moral obligation and responsibility to work with care if they are going to publish their work, then you are just foolish.
Maybe I should write a book about why racism, sexism, all the -isms in the world are great and romanticize them. Oo! Maybe I should write a book where I objectify woman and portray that as the ideal relationship and role a woman should play! And then when I get a fan base or racist, sexist people who go out and spread that ideology to harm other people which DOES HAPPEN, I should tell everyone that I write for myself (even though I published it) and that you can’t criticize me at all because I am above criticism! (You know, criticism, a major part of being a writer or artist of any kind?)

Uh oh! Unfortunately your heart has nothing to do with anything (it’s main purpose is to pump blood) your brain is actually the one operating everything, especially emotions. Although I guess saying human “think and act with their head” doesn’t help your argument. Humans are extremely developed and complex creatures yet you seriously want to say they are simple and “raw in nature”. Like okay sure, the species that takes other species and cares for them, pays for them, and houses them for no other reason than that they are cute and lovable is raw in nature.The species that creates entire religions because they are afraid to die and worship those religions in the weirdest ways possible, are animalistic and simple. The people that devote their life to helping others and only exist to be a benefit to everyone else, simpleminded and “raw in nature” like??? You literally know NOTHING about people and how they work, do you? Especially men. You seem to think that men are controlled by their penis and sex. ALSO earlier you were talking about what I said concerning adults as if what I said was wrong. As if me explaining development and hormones is me saying “adults should act like adults” like wtf? No I’m saying adults aren’t as impulsive and irresponsible as teenagers and children BIOLOGICALLY. Teenagers are more prone to lack of impulse control (because that area of the brain is developing still) That is not an opinion, it is fact. Adults, are fully developed. Unless there is something wrong with them, they should be able to understand the consequences of their actions, have the ability to empathize with others and not react like that character did. Apparently he’s old and mature enough to do sex work but not to know not to rape people. Got it. :/

im not demonizing the people whom had problems with 'rape' or such i was just generally pointing out that spreading hate is not neccessary. If you dont like the character, then leave your opinion IN A PROPER MANNER then leave. I dislike THOSE who wrote things that degrade the author for doing their work and THOSE only. Youve twisted the meaning of my words and im sorry that you saw me as someone so stubborn and crude for like as if ive just disregarded other people's opinion. NO. You have the right to give out your thoughts but it must not appear spiteful and disrespectful towards any sides. Im this way because ive seen a lot of people narrow-mindedly missing the positive/moral/lesson in the story and blame it all+hating on the characters. Not to say that you cant hate them, its your choice but there r people who uses unncessary comments and did not pay any heed of gratitude for the story made. My point from the start had been in its simplest form and i do not wish to expand it anymore as i also meant it to be "appreciate the work for the least" and a fiction SHOULD NOT(i did not say DID NOT) affect the real life yet yes everyone deals with it differently

FIRST thing first, im an idealist so your arguments and my arguments will differ. Our way of thinking may differ and for me, we all see things we want to see(sadly but truthfully) the human you referred here is like a full jar and a human i referred to is an empty jar. In the most natural way, i believe that humans are raw in a lot of different things for example the way they think, the way they feel, the way they see, the way they judge. Raw in here means 'transparent'. What made a man(as in man and woman) different? Their upbringing, their life and their influences. Assuming that i LITERALLY know NOTHING of how human works is quite rude as you just disregarded the fact that everyone can understand something in a different way. Maybe in a philosphical way, a realistic approach or even an idealistic approach. I tilt more on the idealistic and philosphical side and i am NOT going to say that what you just wrote as WRONG. So id appreciate it if you dont take MINE as NOT RIGHT either.

As for men, i have an ideology that explains how women have 9 lusts and 1 mind whilst men have 1 lust and 9 mind. (Lust as in the things they want and mind as in the way they think) so in my beliefs, MEN are more suitable to be a leader as they are able to think rationally with their head and women would often think with their emotions. (HEART IN MY DICTIONARY IS EMOTIONS and yes its controlled by the brain yet i believe that it originated from the heart. Impulses were sent to the brain and everyone reactions do not have to be the same) but that also imply that WOMEN are a natural born empathethic; a good mother; a good listener while MEN are a natural born leader; head of the family; a strong pillar. And as for the case as you just said that i thought of 'men think with their penises' is just misleading. As ive said just now in my beliefs, men one and only lust is -love interest- be it a woman or a man and that may also be the reason why a man can never understand a woman as the way they think and sort their life is absolutely different. In my opinion, a fully developed adult and a matured person does not share the same meaning. A kid can be so matured despite their age and an adult can be childish as well. Theres no in between as maturity is something we earn and learn along the way so the thing you said just now are just pure sciences yet lacked of conscience. I apologize if that may sounds rude to you but i only wish to point here that maturity does not depend on a person's age or any other biological reasonings. It depends on the way they see and take things, the way their mind works including their inclinations; emotions.

this man right here also said that he does the work for FUN+high profit and that just explains a lot on how carefree he was being and how it lead to him in attempting the rape. Generally and theoretically speaking.

I’m glad I don’t live in your world then. Legitimately, what kind of people do you hang around? You know it’s 2021 right? Lmao baby boys don’t come out of the womb with a sword and a crown. “natural born leader” my ass. Put a boy in the woods with no education, no family, nothing, and see how long he survives. Even then, if he does survive he’s not gonna grow up to be no fucking leader. Men and women aren’t “natural born” anything. Since when did having a penis make you a leader? That is so stupid. How someone turns out completely depends on their personality and their upbringing, not their sex. Also I like that “natural born leader” and “think more with their head” is how you describe men when girls are often times far more mature and develop faster in comparison to boys. Someone’s ability to kill an animal for food doesn’t make them the “head of the family” or a “natural born leader” also you seem to be insinuating that women aren’t natural born leaders because they often times are more emotional (purely a result of upbringing since men are taught to suppress their emotions). So, if you want a psychopath as your leader than go ahead! But I’d much rather have the kind, empathetic ruler that can care about her people and do what is best for them, not a bloodthirsty tyrant. Your world view is so outdated.

Your ideology is laughably false though. Just because you can have an opinion, doesn’t make it right. My mother was the head of the household. She worked as an officer in a prison and is a strong ass woman. Try to talk to her about your emotions, and you’ll be mostly met with a more apathetic response. The fact that you say, “Everyone is different, everyone makes mistakes, everyone has an opinion” yet then put everyone into a box is hilarious. My mother has been married to a man for quite a while, a kind, soft spoken man that works the same job as her. He is empathetic and understanding. He loves his small dog, and gives him kisses every day. He cooks, cleans, and shares all the responsibility of my mother. He same thing with both my aunts, and my deceased grandmother. My grandmother was a hard worker. She had a wood stove that she had to carry in wood for, she mowed her giant ass lawn, did all the house work, and just did everything by herself. My aunt is a single mom, going to work all day to take care of her children and provide for them, while her husband was a whiny bitch who couldn’t stop crying about everything. My own fucking father is a giant pussy, a weak, sob story of a man with no life.
Everyone around me, everyone I have ever met, does not at all fit into your boxes. The fact that you see something purely societal, such as gender roles and go “Welp they must be accurate and biological” is just funny.

I at least respected you as a writer with their own viewpoint before you just started spewing sexist nonsense.