also i know eren gave them in a reckless mission (when he ran away) and kinda gave them no choice, but is erwin responsible for every life lost on one of his missions? no because each soldier made the choice to be there and he made a plan the best he could. the situations are a little different i know, but i truthfully i don’t see any other way they could have accomplished what they did there without doing what eren did sadly. it was reckless but kind of the only option so do what they needed to do with as little deaths possible. he gave them the advantage of surprise and the ability to use their odm gear. okay i’m done. i don’t think i did very well exposing my opinion but i tried and hope everyone gets it lol.
ok here’s my opinion before i finish reading what you said because you brought up some pretty great points 1) i don’t believe eren should die either, and honestly we never know the direction that this manga will go so, especially with the way mikasa’s whole life purpose is eren, her idly letting him die doesn’t seem like something that would happen. but even if he does have to die, i feel like he’s ready for it. he doesn’t believe he’s a good person either, and by him and reiner being parallels they most likely have similar trains of thought. though, i also believe he’s prepared for this because of the way that he can implant memories into his own and others’ brains, so throughout the story he’d been planting hints in his father’s, the attack titans preceder, and his own head to lead him to the one way that he thought he could “save humanity.” when he told his friends he cared about him he really meant it. and in the first season, I believe it was Erwin who said something along the lines of “the best leaders are willing to sacrifice anything, and their own humanity in order to save people from the monsters,” and Eren shows this throughout the series, especially now by initiating the rumbling for the bettering of humanity. and you’re right on how you said the Eren we see now isn’t the Eren we read about, because the one we know and recognize is still in there, but he knows what he has to do in order to “save humanity.” still though, he’s what- 20? and there’s no perfect moral way to “save humanity,” but he’s trying his best and is struggling with everything himself, because having inherited 2 titans since the start nobody was like him or truly understood him, but he never let that crack his character. and now seeing ymir basically have/ create all the titans he most likely resonated with her and that’s why he understood her. i side tracked a lot but, i hope you get what im saying in a sense! ok back to reading ur response lolol
ok i finished reading but yeah the 2) was I don’t believe he’s responsible for the deaths, but I don’t think he ever needed to be issued a “thank you” or anything, because throughout the series nobody really thanks anyone, accept basically God for ending up alive. sure Eren had endured a lot but everyone had, so I don’t think anyone needed to thank anyone, espeically because it was war and it was expected of people. Also, back on my original point, if his character was super simple and he really did crack and do all of these things for personal gain, I feel like, as shown one of the cracking points was at Tiber(?)’s speech where he said they should kill Eren, but that might’ve been future Eren telling him to initiate the master plan, because I believe Eren’s eyes started glowing, which to me signifies his future self communicating, or it would’ve been Sasha’s death, where he started laughing out of some sort of panic, because that was one of the last signs of emotion he showed before the rumbling, and he also told Sasha that he wanted her to live a long life along with everyone else, and that he cared about her, so not being able to fulfill that promise could’ve changed him from the Eren we know into the Eren who wanted to initiate the rumbling, because he probably questioned the point of having a mankind that was built on lies (after just escaping one - Paradis) but it could just be that he had a master plan like i originally explained
completely agree with everything you said. and fs nobody got a thank you in this series so erens not special to where he deserves one over everyone; just bothered me that no matter what he did for them they always managed to find a fault in it, but when others did something great tjey might not have gotten a thank you but they got acknowledgment kinds for what they did, yk? idk if that made sense lol. and yes! i was thinking the same thing about during the speech. the same way in the beginning of the series (if i remember correctly) his future self sent him a vision, i think that’s what happened then too. i also think it was a point of realizing no matter what they do they won’t acknowledge their faults and instead they’re going to blame it on me and make me the monster so i might as well do it. and then sashas death felt like a breaking point of i’m doing all this to keep my friends alive and i can’t even succeed that. it felt like he was just so broken in that moment and was laughing at himself and calling himself useless. i totally think that was his last breaking point.
a remarkable response!!!!!
thank u so much!! i and what you’re saying makes a lot of sense because eren is always treated like less than everyone else in the series, and rven if he was acknowledged in fandom, which with certain instances he hardly is, it’s not comparable to how the rest are constantly painted as heros. i feel like before the eldia situation was revealed he got more love, but now people tend to instantly hate without understanding his character
what you’re saying makes a lot of sense because eren is always treated like less than everyone else in the series, and rven if he was acknowledged in fandom, which with certain instances he hardly is, it’s not comparable to how the rest are constantly painted as heros. i feel like before the eldia situation was revealed he got more love, but now people tend to instantly hate without understanding his character
oops ignore the two responses i wasn’t sure if you were talking to me or op
i basically share the same opinion, except for one little bit. yes it is their choice to be there, they could've went NOPE, i opt out, and they probably would be allowed to. but you have to keep in mind they dont have a choice either, given the circumstances as scouts and their position as eren's friends. eren has the founding titan and he's out here wildin. they didn't have a choice but to risk their lives so that the founding titan and eren make it out alive. it's like someone is holding your life in their hands and they're about to get themselves killed, of course you have to save them so you can save yourself in the process.
i love ur comment i wish i can blame someone but i can't
i can't blame them at all.. i can't blame Eren for the choices he made he was 15 come on he's still a kid with a huge responsbility on his shoulders i cnt also blame reiner for the 1st attack they literally brainwashed them just like u said and i cnt blame that girl who killed sasha (i saw comments on the ep everyone was cursing the girl) bruh what do u expect her to do? kiss him goodnight or something she knows nothing.. also the laughing matter i still can't believe that some ppl actually think that eren was happy when sasha died just like u said he felt like he's still a useless kid who can't even protect one friend. tbh i don't want him to die i don't want anyone to die specially eren he need happiness i feel like i raised him lol (i'm on team Armin and Levi) but i remember the author said that's gonna be a sad ending idk how he's gonna surprise us but imo the only sad ending we're gonna get is Eren's death maybe Mikasa or Armin will kill him idk it's just a theory i came up with i hope it doesn't end up this way
(im really sorry about my english it's not my native language)
dw you english is really good haha and i totally agree. it’s not fair to be angry at gabi when she’s been told lies her whole entire life. being upset over sashas death is valid but blaming it on gabi? the people at fault are the ones who started these lies and the people who are knowledgeable of the lies and continue to spread them for personal gain. reiner was one of the people i felt the most pain for... he looked so completely ruined about everything. some of them didn’t care what they did but reiner cares so much, he wanted to die from the guilt. i felt so bad TT.
oh yea i fs agree eren gave them a shit choice. i understand he saw the future or whatever and was doing all of it because he had a plan but it definitely was a unfair choice. i just don’t think he’s responsible for the deaths, same way i wouldn’t find someone responsible for erens death if he was trying to save them yk? but definitely agree that eren putting them in a really tough position.
i understand and don’t understand the hate on eren. i get it... he’s doing some fucked up things, but i don’t get it because he’s practically been forced into this role. if you take a look at eren from the beginning or eren when all the secrets unfolded... it’s so obvious this is never what he wanted. eren? truly wanting to commit mass genocide? to me that’s just not the eren i’ve read about. as i said he was kind of forced into the role. he was given these titan powers; was used as a weapon; was treated like a monster; was blamed for anything going wrong; was blamed for countless people’s deaths; was told to save the world; was forced to play this savior role to some and a villain role to others. in truth life dealt him an unfair set of cards. he’s a boy who was forced to grow up too fast and forced to play roles he should never have been forced to play. i believe eren truly wants them to stop him. i know he does. he started down this path of saving the world and i think at some point he got so lost and tired that he didn’t have the capability to stop himself or bring himself back. when i see people call him a bad person it’s annoying because they’re ALL bad people. nobody is good. there’s simply a scale of “better - worse”. some have committed smaller “sins”, others have committed larger “sins”. So many of these character have killed a pretty close number of people (taking the whole titan genocide out of it for a second) to eren, but it seems like erens the only one whole held accountable for things he’s done. they blame so many people’s deaths on him that weren’t his fault. i’m sorry, but sashas death was not his fault. yes he came up with the plan but sasha made the decision to join the corps knowing her life was at risk, they all made the decision to go there and aid erens plan. yes i know he kinda gave them an unfair choice because they needed him, but still my point still stands that these people made a choice to be there. i just think it’s unfair to blame him for all these people’s deaths when everyone’s practically forced him to become the person he is. eren has helped them out so many times and i never see people thank him... they just once again tell him everything he did wrong and how he’s responsible for people’s deaths. i just truly feel so bad for eren and the person he was forced to become. i got a little sidetracked but as i was saying; no erens not a good person, but none of all the other characters you love are either. i think a piece of eren broke every time he killed someone, but i think he believed he had no other choice. he was basically given an unfair choice too. either every person you know and love dies or you use your power to get rid of the threat to them, save the world and kill these people. i don’t know what the hell id have done if i was given that choice. if i was in erens position and the people i loved lives were as risk... i think i’d do anything to save them. he’s doing all he thinks is possible. honestly the idea of “talking to them” imo never would have happened. they probably would have killed everyone in the wall who made an attempt to talk to them before they could even get a single word out. the merleyans may have been brainwashed but they wanted power and to be at the top. no matter how brainwashed you’ve been it takes common sense to realize “hey they aren’t responsible for their ancestors actions”. the marleyans didn’t care because they believed they’d always win. the brainwashed eldians... i feel bad because they were brainwashed to believe this is what they deserved but believing the things they did and feigning ignorance they forced countless sorbets including their kids into a oppressive life. not to mention paradis island was severely outnumbered... if they went into a head on war with them they’d be screwed. they’ve also been raised on odm gear unlike their opponents who’ve been raised fighting land and water wars. ANYWAY. Erens did what he believed was the only option. was it right? no. but it was what he thought was the only option after what he was forced to become. honestly i’ll be a little disappointed if Isayama kills Eren off like this, i think there’s more to be done with his character in the little amount of chapters left. so there’s my rant. and fyi i’m not some big eren simp. i’ve always found his character cool but he’s never been my favorite character. i’m a jean lover lol. oh and i’m totally down to hear other people’s opinions if they disagree with what i said.