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No need to be a kids for thinks it’s a sexual assault... bruh
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LMAO THANKS GOD HE REALIZE HE WAS WRONG
I’m an adult... and I have experiences many things and all I can say it’s a sexual assault NOTHING MORE to say
And haruki deserves better than this asshole
Bye if you things it’s okay and forgivable your the kids here
I saw the "Movie" on Given and you can see it on Youtube. You will actually see the attack and Haruki & Kaji discuss it.
It was really good the movie and you feel bad Haruki, Kaji. and Ugetsu. So Mafuyu wrote a song for them. It wasn't a long movie... only about an hour but a lot came out in that hour.
I never said it's okay lol, but considering circumstances surrounding his actions, yeah I think it was forgivable. Sometimes, people make mistakes. And I'm glad you've had experiences, love. I think we all have. It's needless to say. People can change. People make mistakes. If you're the type of person not to acknowledge a person's personal journey, that's fine, but Kizu Natsuki gave him like the second best character development in the series. Second to Mafuyu. But you're entitled to your opinion as I am mine.
But yeah, not saying kids don't understand what sexual assault is or what the scene is at face value... Bruh.
Also, yeah I saw the movie. I think they did a really nice job overall. It made me cry almost as hard as the manga lol. Having been through a lot of similar things, Given in general is one of my favorites. Plus hearing Mafuyu's song brought to life is just beautiful.
who is dumb enough to even dislike ur comment when you spoke complete facts? tf
Appreciate it
I appreciate it*
Yeah... it was so sad to see them all so hurt. Ugetsu really does love Kaji but knew it was poison for them and their futures. To know it was your goodbye. Kaji will never know how painful it was for Ugetsu to let him go.
see i dont think it’s necessarily right to say that it was forgivable bc haruki wanted to touch him for the longest time and loved him. that seems kinda weird to me. he said stop more than once. im sure u didn’t mean it like that and i somewhat agree with ur message, but somehow it just isn’t sitting right with me. i think it ultimately depends on haruki. if u think it’s forgivable bc of kaji’s situation then i do not agree. yes, alcohol impairs judgement, but he knew what he was doing: “damn. i’m just taking my frustration out on him.” he was aware so he wasn’t completely impaired. but i’m not trying to argue i just disagree a bit
Yeah it was, but as that person say there is more, of course as that person also say e can't totally forgive him but try to understand that he got character development and try to understand that you can't defined a person by one mistake, yeah it was awful and disgusting but seriously ? y'all are just ignoring the character developement the mutiple apologie and the fact that he change his all life to change and to be worthy of Haruki, don't forget that Akihiko had a rough life too, his parent left him all alone with just some money, the poor boy has to sell his own body just to sleep at night, so we are not telling you that it was okay, we are just asking y'all to try to see the background and the character developement
Yeah it was sexual assault, but adult or not, if you can't accept the fact that mistake can be done especially when your drunk and that it doesnt obviously make you a bad person than you are not very smart, you have to learn how to forgive in life, so yeah it was an awful thing and we are not even asking you to forgive him, but aknowledge hos past and the fact that he was drunk, and mainly aknowledge that he got a big character developement
I totally agree, people arent acknowedging his past and especially the character developement that he get, he got the second biggest character developement after mafuyu of course (well mafuyu's character developement is still on going), it seem like some people are just taking chapter 20 without anything else ;-;
I don't disagree with you b. That's why I said it was a shit situation on both ends but yeah it really did depend on Haruki. It was even more complicated on Haruki's end to be honest. I think his emotions, the situation, his feelings for Akihiko, and his perception of Akihiko and how he was acting in the moment played a factor in how he reacted but I do think in the end, he was aware that it was assault but didn't really blame Akihiko or else he wouldn't have said what he said. I shouldn't have come at it the way I did but I was just getting frustrated by people saying Akihiko is a bad person when he really isn't. It's okay to disagree though! Differing opinions are important for discussions! :)
Yeah, I'm glad you got what I was saying :'3
oh i see. thank u for clarifying! i don’t think akihiko is a bad person either, he showed remorse and i’m sure we will see more growth from him too. but i understand why some ppl may say that. some ppl might have had similar experiences so i can imagine how triggering this could be. but i understand and i agree!
Tell me that I’m not « very smart » because of my past and because I don’t want to « acknowledge » him it’s a little bit immature, we litteraly see nothing of his character development... Month have passed without even show us, i found u very disrespectful, to tell me that I’m not very smart just for a story that sound childish, for me it’s not even acceptable or forgivable, he was an asshole and I don’t accepte things like that
Wow!
It is a story. Why are we arguing here? Everyone can have their own opinions about Kaji. We will see eventually if the Manaka gives each character their own pasts to see what may have happened. Good or bad... Haruki still loves Kaji and Kaji loves Haruki. Kaji also acknowledges that Haruki always saved his butt for everything. So lets wait and see if there is more of a background for these characters. Peace :)
You where the first one to disrespect peopl who "forgive" tho ? saying that we are kids because we have a different way of thinking is also immature,
honestly i totally understand your point of view but you should accept our point of view too without being disrespectful about it, and as for the character development, we didnt see much but he still got one, he acknowledge his mistake and decided to change his whole life, so yeah i totally agree he was a bad person but i just can't hate someone who decide to change especially if the person had a rough past
So in conclusion, i understand your point of view but i just didnt like the fact that you insult me of a "kid" for having a different point of view, its all
So I'm kinda tired of these kids hopping on here and just focusing on what happened in chapter 20 without looking at it for what it kind of message it was supposed to deliver. Given is a well-thought out, human, emotional story that doesn't do anything by mistake. Was chapter 20 sexual assault? Yes and no. Haruki says himself that the assault wasn't what he should've been apologizing for. Haruki has had feelings for Akihiko for a long time and Akihiko knows it. He was always wanting to be physical with him but the situation was all wrong and even with all that, if after he told Akihiko, he'd do anything for him, Akihiko said he wanted to sleep with him, he wouldn't have denied him because that's how much he loved him. It's a fucked up situation on both ends: one being hopelessly in love and frustrated, and the other going through heartbreak, self loathing, and frustration. Not to mention, Akihiko had been drinking a lot. Something we don't really see him doing a lot. The panel showing 3 beers (plus the one he was drinking) wasn't some nice filler shot. Drinking impairs judgement. People make mistakes when they drink. Is it an excuse? No, but it is a catalyst for a person to do things that they will regret. Difference between an actual asshole and Akihiko is that he immediately realized what he'd done to the person he cared about once Haruhi snapped him out of it. He was using the tactics he was used to with the women he slept with, giving pleasure to receive whatever he desired in that moment (usually a place to crash for the night). That scene was crucial because it showed us how Akihiko poorly processed his pain (because he is human) and took it out on the person who was willing to do anything for him. It was also the moment, he knew he had to change and that's what y'all kids are overlooking. Akihiko went through STRIDES to better himself to be a better man. To quote him, "A man worthy" of Haruki. Haruki wouldn't have accepted his request to date if he didn't see this change in him and says it himself that Akihiko has changed. So yes, you can be upset about chapter 20. But remember that it is the basis of a desperate and broken man's character change.