Yaoi is a mistake, Yuri reigns supreme. That said, I am a hypocrite and I am making this shit list to file away shit that unfortunately pulls my shitty interests.
You can tell that I'm hating myself for making this.
You may feel your favorite manga should be gathered together into distinct categories for your own reference and, now, you can do this with a LIST. After you've created your list or lists, you can proudly recommend them to other manga fans to showcase and share your taste in manga.
Thanks for making this list. I'm glad there's more people who don't think rape is "hot" or whatever (and it's really common on here. I got down voted a lot when I said it wasn't lmao). Sadly, I read yaoi more than yuri, but only because there's hardly any good ones and they're either over sexual or sad, tragic stories :/ Oh and if you want a yuri to read I'm reading Virgins Empire ( http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/virgins_empire/). It's cute and there's different couples. They're somewhat sexualized, but it's something.
Hey! Thanks for the recommendation! I'll check it out.
Also regarding rape in yaoi / stories (the violation of bodily consent can be also prolifically found in shoujo/smut/romance novels as well): My current theory is that it serves to fulfill the "need" the character either wasn't aware of or didn't want to permit themselves to indulge in, and therefore that makes it Actually Consensual in the eyes of the reader.
Well, it doesn't. But the way we're socialized does lend itself to that interpretation, to the fact that I, as an asexual person who really squicks out when it comes to Actual People having sex, still gain a strange enjoyment when this trope is deployed (often).
Which is why rape yaoi still appears on my list, though I comment about it / consent problems. I'm definitely not proud of it, and someday if/when I am more mentally stable, I do wish that I would find a way to become ~disinterested~ in these kind of stories. To unlearn it, rather. Right now though I appear to be using it as a coping mechanism (whoops).
As for people who say that it doesn't matter as long as people realize that fictional rape is separate from rape in reality, I would ask them to reconsider the way common story narratives influence feelings of obligation (giving up consent) in a culture / relationships. The argument that fictional rape =/= real rape would be more understandable if it wasn't, you know, basically in every yaoi ever, but as it is now it's important to understand that representation in fictional media influences people.
At the very least, I hope everyone can reach the step of saying: What goes on in this yaoi is a violation of consent and rape, but I read it anyway.
And then I hope someday that people (or me on my own) can graduate from these kinds of common representations and make media that portrays healthier alternatives so that the proportion of rape = love/good representations become the minimum.
Anyway! Sorry for this long response! I just felt that I maybe had to explain some of my choices (making this list, etc.) m(_ _)m
( i __ i ) I dunno, they just hate us or something... or there's less magazines for yuri (??)
Excluding the yuri oriented towards men since those tend to be nasty and reproducing female objectification, maybe women are also just less open to reading about women loving women then men loving men... like the whole "I'm not gay so it'd be weird if I knew a lesbian" or whatever.
( i __ i ) I dunno, they just hate us or something... or there's less magazines for yuri (??)Excluding the yuri oriented towards men since those tend to be nasty and reproducing female objectification, maybe wo... this_is_a_mistake
Yeah, you definitely have a good point. I agree with you when it comes to the objectification-oriented lesbian manga. Women would find it hard to enjoy yuri, because it doesn't really reflect lesbian relationships, and really good yuri is better written by authors with a good grasp of lesbian life. After all, yaoi is actually primarily consumed by straight girls because it's far more enjoyable to see two gorgeous hunks going at each other, and yuri for the sake of smut isn't that much fun, at least it isn't for me. I like my yuri to have humanity, not just girls going down on girls. What's your favorite yuri?
Yeah, you definitely have a good point. I agree with you when it comes to the objectification-oriented lesbian manga. Women would find it hard to enjoy yuri, because it doesn't really reflect lesbian relation... flornica
SAME! I'm glad we super agree on this. I think part of the problem is the fact that lesbian porn is already ~popular with straight men~ so if yuri ever did yaoi tropes (some have tried) it feels more like... typical gross hentai... for men... I'll pass.
My favorite yuri is Ohana Holoholo!! (It's not fully scanlated, and so I'll just lie here and hope that someday I become competent at Japanese...) What about you?
SAME! I'm glad we super agree on this. I think part of the problem is the fact that lesbian porn is already ~popular with straight men~ so if yuri ever did yaoi tropes (some have tried) it feels more like... ty... this_is_a_mistake
I really like Tamen De Gushi. I think it's pretty realistic when it comes to the awkwardness of first time relationships, when you're just not sure how the hell to go about things, you know? It's pretty popular, i really enjoy it. I'm gonna check out Ohana, I bet it's good, too! (๑•ㅂ•)و✧
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Thanks for making this list. I'm glad there's more people who don't think rape is "hot" or whatever (and it's really common on here. I got down voted a lot when I said it wasn't lmao). Sadly, I read yaoi more than yuri, but only because there's hardly any good ones and they're either over sexual or sad, tragic stories :/
Oh and if you want a yuri to read I'm reading Virgins Empire ( http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/virgins_empire/). It's cute and there's different couples. They're somewhat sexualized, but it's something.
Hey! Thanks for the recommendation! I'll check it out.
Also regarding rape in yaoi / stories (the violation of bodily consent can be also prolifically found in shoujo/smut/romance novels as well): My current theory is that it serves to fulfill the "need" the character either wasn't aware of or didn't want to permit themselves to indulge in, and therefore that makes it Actually Consensual in the eyes of the reader.
Well, it doesn't. But the way we're socialized does lend itself to that interpretation, to the fact that I, as an asexual person who really squicks out when it comes to Actual People having sex, still gain a strange enjoyment when this trope is deployed (often).
Which is why rape yaoi still appears on my list, though I comment about it / consent problems. I'm definitely not proud of it, and someday if/when I am more mentally stable, I do wish that I would find a way to become ~disinterested~ in these kind of stories. To unlearn it, rather. Right now though I appear to be using it as a coping mechanism (whoops).
As for people who say that it doesn't matter as long as people realize that fictional rape is separate from rape in reality, I would ask them to reconsider the way common story narratives influence feelings of obligation (giving up consent) in a culture / relationships. The argument that fictional rape =/= real rape would be more understandable if it wasn't, you know, basically in every yaoi ever, but as it is now it's important to understand that representation in fictional media influences people.
At the very least, I hope everyone can reach the step of saying: What goes on in this yaoi is a violation of consent and rape, but I read it anyway.
And then I hope someday that people (or me on my own) can graduate from these kinds of common representations and make media that portrays healthier alternatives so that the proportion of rape = love/good representations become the minimum.
Anyway! Sorry for this long response! I just felt that I maybe had to explain some of my choices (making this list, etc.) m(_ _)m
Hope you have a great day!
Well, we'll just have to take remedial classes together, then, because I can't quit the yaoi!!!
:,^) But where are the classes at
[looks around] Yep still not much good romance yuri being updated, or existing, in general...
Why is good yuri so hard to find? ╥﹏╥
( i __ i ) I dunno, they just hate us or something... or there's less magazines for yuri (??)
Excluding the yuri oriented towards men since those tend to be nasty and reproducing female objectification, maybe women are also just less open to reading about women loving women then men loving men... like the whole "I'm not gay so it'd be weird if I knew a lesbian" or whatever.
Yeah, you definitely have a good point. I agree with you when it comes to the objectification-oriented lesbian manga. Women would find it hard to enjoy yuri, because it doesn't really reflect lesbian relationships, and really good yuri is better written by authors with a good grasp of lesbian life. After all, yaoi is actually primarily consumed by straight girls because it's far more enjoyable to see two gorgeous hunks going at each other, and yuri for the sake of smut isn't that much fun, at least it isn't for me. I like my yuri to have humanity, not just girls going down on girls. What's your favorite yuri?
SAME! I'm glad we super agree on this. I think part of the problem is the fact that lesbian porn is already ~popular with straight men~ so if yuri ever did yaoi tropes (some have tried) it feels more like... typical gross hentai... for men... I'll pass.
My favorite yuri is Ohana Holoholo!! (It's not fully scanlated, and so I'll just lie here and hope that someday I become competent at Japanese...) What about you?
I really like Tamen De Gushi. I think it's pretty realistic when it comes to the awkwardness of first time relationships, when you're just not sure how the hell to go about things, you know? It's pretty popular, i really enjoy it. I'm gonna check out Ohana, I bet it's good, too! (๑•ㅂ•)و✧
I love your self deprecation, and have you graduated from this yet? ヾ(❀╹◡╹)ﾉ~
Which part, the yaoi, the consumption of nonconsensual stories, or the self deprecation? [the answer is none of the above orz]